• agent_nycto@lemmy.world
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      16 hours ago

      Objectively wrong because there were third party candidates already on the ballot! How could you say they would’ve won when they already were running and lost?! “Oh they would’ve won if they were there” They were there! [These are they!](Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election - Wikipedia https://share.google/xcOuOQvNZvwLprps9)

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        15 hours ago

        I didn’t say they would’ve won, stop moving goal posts.

        I said they couldn’t have lost more than Kamala did. Because it was a binary thing on three counts?

        Did she win the Presidency? No.

        Did she keep the Senate? No.

        Did she win the House? No.

        No matter what you think of Claudia De La Cruz or Jill Stein, it’s just a simple fact neither one of them could have given a worse outcome than that one. And given the resources Kamala had, that’s particularly pathetic.

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        She was running for Presidency. And lost. Badly. As her party lost both houses.

        Pick any third party, they won just as much as Kamala did - and didn’t spend a billion and a half to do so.

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          What, so you and I are as successful at federal elections as any third party?

          I mean - okay. But some idiots gave them $200 Million for that. We did it for free, apparently.

          I’m saying they’re an unworkable idea at almost any price.

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              1 day ago

              Can I have some of your $200 million? Or were you one of those low-effort third parties.

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                23 hours ago

                That’s the point - my candidate didn’t need $200 million to do just as well as Kamala did in results.

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                  22 hours ago

                  Well it’s one of those technically true things that’s not really true.

                  Your candidate has no name recognition, got no press, made no waves, and had no chance. As in baseball, at the end of the season all teams lose. Except one.

                  But it’s not baseball.

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                    21 hours ago

                    Meanwhile Kamala had all the press, and made no waves and had no chance, losing even the popular vote to an insane game show host and disgraced former president.

                    She did manage to grab and waste the space of opposition, ensuring the GOP victory was complete.

                    No, it’s not baseball. In baseball, when you fuck up this bad, people don’t die. Here, they do. And you hogs are chomping at the bit to do it again.

                    Me, I’m personally fine - I saw the way this wind was blowing when Biden won the primary in 2020, and started making plans to leave the US then. Which I’ve already done.