I feel that wasn’t an effective tactic I’m the last election and is something that can be worked towards, but the amount of support third parties get isn’t substantial enough to make an impact on democratic policy as things are now.
That’s why I feel it’s imperative to focus on ranked choice (or something similar) from local and up, because of the aforementioned Duverger’s law. This could eliminate both establishment parties. Until we fix that, people know that third parties don’t win elections, especially not national ones, and you can’t do anything unless you actually get into a position of power.
Local governments are much more likely to listen to constituents and it’s a lot easier to get stuff on the ballot for local issues than State and national elections. Making that the norm locally can influence the state, and three federal elections are run state by state instead of nationally.
Between the Democrats and the Republicans, who do you think is more likely to? If your city was in Republican control, the party that’s notorious for trying to take away voting rights, do you think they would actually let that through? At least with Democrats pretending to care about people, it’s a platform they can run on, and on the individual level means they are more likely to get elected/reelected.
Between the Democrats and the Republicans, who do you think is more likely to?
Look at the 2016 primary. It’s mainly due to the McGovern 72 campaign, but the GOP has actually less top down control than the Democratic currently. It’s why the Dem leadership was able to stop Bernie twice, while the GOP couldn’t with Trump.
The Democratic Party has likewise been involved in many more legal efforts to get especially the Greens removed from ballot lines than the GOP.
So while neither of the major parties is going to support ranked choice (why would they?), the Democrats are more active in their currently opposition.
You’re kidding right? Republicans are trying to make it so anyone who changes their name, even married women, can’t vote. They’ve historically fought against black and poor people from voting for decades. Just the policies flying around now are nuts. I haven’t heard of armed Democrats hassling people in line to vote.
The Democratic leadership strategy falls apart with a challenge from the left. They’re able to keep leadership and candidates that are far to the right of what their base and voters are and want because, while they’re inept at attacking right, they make very sure to deal with any threat to their left as the existential threat to them it is. If there’s a block to their left that doesn’t subscribe to VBNMW, then they can’t continue that grift and pretend the left has nowhere else to go.
Man put it together. It’s relevant because I’m talking about a situation where citizens try to start voting reform, and saying that Republicans in charge would be much worse for trying to get that passed. They are clearly worse for that movement than the Democrats. Because they pulled some bullshit to get third parties off the ballot doesn’t mean they are some golden child who’s going to let ranked choice in, but that’s less bad than the stuff Republicans do. Figure it out
I’m not even sure if you understand how voting works. You obviously have the data but managed to figure out the most ineffective and incorrect way to solve the problems we both agree exist.
It’s obvious we’re not convincing each other of anything and no one else is reading this, I suggest we just part ways here.
I feel that wasn’t an effective tactic I’m the last election and is something that can be worked towards, but the amount of support third parties get isn’t substantial enough to make an impact on democratic policy as things are now.
That’s why I feel it’s imperative to focus on ranked choice (or something similar) from local and up, because of the aforementioned Duverger’s law. This could eliminate both establishment parties. Until we fix that, people know that third parties don’t win elections, especially not national ones, and you can’t do anything unless you actually get into a position of power.
Why would the Democrats ever support ranked choice voting?
Local governments are much more likely to listen to constituents and it’s a lot easier to get stuff on the ballot for local issues than State and national elections. Making that the norm locally can influence the state, and three federal elections are run state by state instead of nationally.
Between the Democrats and the Republicans, who do you think is more likely to? If your city was in Republican control, the party that’s notorious for trying to take away voting rights, do you think they would actually let that through? At least with Democrats pretending to care about people, it’s a platform they can run on, and on the individual level means they are more likely to get elected/reelected.
Look at the 2016 primary. It’s mainly due to the McGovern 72 campaign, but the GOP has actually less top down control than the Democratic currently. It’s why the Dem leadership was able to stop Bernie twice, while the GOP couldn’t with Trump.
The Democratic Party has likewise been involved in many more legal efforts to get especially the Greens removed from ballot lines than the GOP.
So while neither of the major parties is going to support ranked choice (why would they?), the Democrats are more active in their currently opposition.
You’re kidding right? Republicans are trying to make it so anyone who changes their name, even married women, can’t vote. They’ve historically fought against black and poor people from voting for decades. Just the policies flying around now are nuts. I haven’t heard of armed Democrats hassling people in line to vote.
Either way the strategy I put forward stands.
You’re conflating general voting rights with access to ballot lines and closed primaries.
These are very different things, and the Democratic Party (and GOP) have different goals with each of them.
The Democratic Party has led numerous lawsuits to remove 3rd party, especially Green, candidates from the ballot line. The greens even have a list here - https://www.gp.org/third_party_suppression_a_problem
The Democratic leadership strategy falls apart with a challenge from the left. They’re able to keep leadership and candidates that are far to the right of what their base and voters are and want because, while they’re inept at attacking right, they make very sure to deal with any threat to their left as the existential threat to them it is. If there’s a block to their left that doesn’t subscribe to VBNMW, then they can’t continue that grift and pretend the left has nowhere else to go.
Man put it together. It’s relevant because I’m talking about a situation where citizens try to start voting reform, and saying that Republicans in charge would be much worse for trying to get that passed. They are clearly worse for that movement than the Democrats. Because they pulled some bullshit to get third parties off the ballot doesn’t mean they are some golden child who’s going to let ranked choice in, but that’s less bad than the stuff Republicans do. Figure it out
Do you not understand how primaries work?
It really seems you don’t.
I’m not even sure if you understand how voting works. You obviously have the data but managed to figure out the most ineffective and incorrect way to solve the problems we both agree exist.
It’s obvious we’re not convincing each other of anything and no one else is reading this, I suggest we just part ways here.