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    Long before the Nazi salut… Uh… I think about 3 or 4 years before it, I had an argument about Musk with one of my brothers who really likes him.

    At that time I had watched a few engineers do the math on all this achievements, only to find out he’s hyping up mundane things that already exist.

    But most distressingly, he was saying apartheid things, and critiquing the arrest of a fascist who provoked violence.

    My brother wasn’t convinced.

    What surprised me most about the salut was that he did it publicly! Right there out in the open! But besides that it was a full fledged visual proof of what I had been saying already for years. Surely my brother would not be so stu-…

    No, I was just on the hate bandwagon. Of course that wasn’t a Nazi salut, I just want to see it as one because I enjoy hating Musk. Because hating Musk is the popular thing to do right now.

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      He didn’t do a Nazi Salute though. I mean, he did, but not on purpose

      He’s just a massive fucking idiot who literally tried to thank people from his heart and stupidly ended up doing the Nazi Salute

      It’s hilarious. Like something out of a Naked Gun movie

      People who support him know this so being willfully ignorant about it isn’t really helping. Drop the, “he did a Nazi salute shit” and stick to the facts, like pointing out that he accidentally did a Nazi Salute because that’s how big of a fucking moron he is

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          It’s not rationalization, it’s literally what happens

          He’s talking about how important the election was and how he wants to thank everyone for voting for Trump. I believe the exact quote is, “my heart goes out to you”

          Sucks you are so full of hate you literally won’t let yourself see, and laugh at, one of the funniest Faux Pas to happen in like 100 years

          What happened is beyond hilarious.

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          Yeah, and he says, “My heart goes out to you”

          It doesn’t even make sense to do a Nazi Salute there. He’s thanking the audience for voting for Trump because the election was important

          It’s hilarious because it’s one of the funniest Faux Pas to happen in like 100 years and I’m sad you motherfuckers are too think to see it.

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            So if I were to flip the bird at you, the universal sign of “fuck you” twice but just before I do I say something marginally nice, that makes it not flipping the bird? Get the fuck out of here and get off of lemmy fascist chud.

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              Yeah, probably. I’m smart enough to understand context and intent

              So if you were happy and celebrating something I did, and you were like, “from the heavens above” and you pointed with your middle finger, I’m smart enough to understand that while it’s funny you just gave me the finger, you’re actually just pointing to heaven

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                God it must be so blissful being this dense and low IQ.

                I’d say go back to reddit with your Elon dick sucking but apparently not even reddit will tolerate your bs.

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                  So he said “Seig Heil”?

                  No?

                  “Hiel Hitler”?

                  No?

                  Oh.

                  Well he said he was thanking them from his heart so I bet he didn’t grab his heart

                  Oh, he did? Like, flat palm and literally grab ahold of his shirt over is heart?

                  Hm…

                  Well he was at a place where it would make sense to just openly do a Nazi Salute right? Like a White Power rally or something right?

                  No? He wasn’t?

                  So it’s only a literal Nazi Salute if we ignore where he was, what he said, what he didn’t say, and what he actually did…

                  I guess anything can be true if you ignore the objective evidence and only focus on what fits the narrative. I guess the world is flat too. It looks flat, it feels flat, and any evidence that shows it’s not flat is just you being an ignorant boot-licking government stooge right?

                  God it must be so blissful being so dense and low IQ you think the world is round. I’d say go back to reddit with your NASA dick sucking but not even reddit will tolerate your bs

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                    Damn so all those times Adolf Hitler did the salute without saying “seig heil” means they weren’t nazi salutes? Were they just sparkling Roman salutes?

                    Fuck off nazi chud, go recreate Berlin April 30, 1945.

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          No, but you might be

          Here is what actually happened.

          He stood on stage and said something like, “I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart”, then he grabs his heart, and waves to the audience

          Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely, and that’s what makes it so funny. The dude is such a massive fucking idiot he accidentally gave the Nazi Salute on a World Stage. And not just once, he waved to three different parts of the audience, doing it three times

          Did he actually stand on stage and Heil Hitler? No

          No amount of your shitty gifs are going to change that this is what actually happened

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            He did it once, turned around and did it again - incredibly intentional.

            It is a Nazi salute, stop trying to pretend otherwise. You’re trying to rationalize it because you can’t accept that Musk is a Nazi.

            Instead of defending this trash human being who’s only wealthy through inheritance and luck in making some good bets with his capital (gained from his family exploitation in South Africa during apartheid). He’s not a fucking genius, he’s not a visionary, he’s an asshole who has way too much money and a disgusting philosophy on life.

            You’re not his friend. He is not your friend. He is the enemy.

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              There were people both, in front, and behind him. He was thanking the people in the audience for supporting Trump; so yeah, he waved to all of the people in the audience, including those behind him

              It’s not an “All-or-nothing” deal in life. I can both, dislike Elon, but also not be OK with spreading misinformation. The fact that you see it as a, “you always go with the anti-Elon narrative, even if it’s false or else…” kind of lets me know everything I need to know about you. If the story was, “Elon ate a baby on stage”, even though you know that’s not true, you’d still push the lie because to you, if you speak up and say, “that’s not true”, you’re a bad person

              Your morals are fucked

              Not me. I don’t need to lie. Elon can get fucked but I’ll let his trash behavior speaks honestly for itself

              Did he give a stupid fucking wave that looks like the Nazi Salute? Absolutely. Was he actually standing on stage Heil Hitler? No.

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                Lol the irony.

                I can both, dislike Elon, but also not be OK with spreading misinformation.

                You and me both. That’s why I wrote what I did. Because you’re spreading misinformation.

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                  Oh, my bad, so then Elon wasn’t thanking the audience, I’m lying about that?

                  Oh, he was? He literally said that huh? hm…

                  Well, he didn’t thank them from his heart. Obviously that’s bullshit right?

                  Oh, he did? Like he literally said he was doing exactly that? Straight up, “from my heart”?

                  Well he didn’t grab his heart or anything, he just did the salute

                  Oh, he did grab his heart? Like, he literally flat palms his chest and literally grips his shirt over his heart?

                  Hm… well, this happened at place where people do Nazi Salutes right? Like in secret or at a white power rally or something?

                  No? It happened in a public place where you almost certainly wouldn’t publicly do this?

                  oh…

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        So close

        He threw the nazi salute because he’s got the mentality of a fifteen year old edgelord

        So moron yes. Accidentally, no.

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          It doesn’t even make sense to do it on purpose. Nothing he said had anything to do with that.

          It sucks you guys are so full of hate that you literally can’t laugh at one of the funniest Faux Pas to happen in like 100 years

          Shit’s hilarious and you’re raging hate boner won’t let you see what actually happened and realize how hilariously stupid it is

          Sucks for you I guess

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            Been checking on your comments, what’s your end goal? I think you need to reflect on yourself and think about many other useful stuff that you could to instead trying to convince people musk is not a deranged nazi but just a silly man makes silly gestures.

            You say he’s a useless person, but yet you’re still trying to argue with people (which all due respect, this is literally defending him)

            I know you are not a bad person but current social media has trained all us to be aggressive and unwilling agent of provocateurs. A “useful idiot” in another way of saying. Please, take a deep breath and put your phone aside. Reflect for a moment what are current affairs making you to do. You’re arguing with the people that you already agree with.

            Be nice

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              What’s my end goal? I don’t know, kill some time while automated tests run at work? Are you telling me you get on internet forums because you have some kind of end goal other than, “I’m bored”?

              I did reflect on myself, and I realized that I’m not ok with lies. Even if the lie doesn’t make someone I dislike look bad, it’s still not OK to lie. It’s also not OK to sit around and see people spreading lies and not say anything. Yeah, I guess that does mean that sometimes I’ll have to defend bad people and people I don’t like, but that’s OK too. If the person in question is really a bad person I won’t need to lie to make them look bad, the truth will make them look bad; and unlike lies, the truth cannot be denied

              Here are the facts. It’s all on video, there’s no questioning it. This is what happened.

              Elon is on stage at a Republican rally telling them that the election was important and that he’s happy they made the right choice and voted for Trump. He’s thanking them for making this choice. He grabs his heart with his hand, open palm on chest gripping his shirt tightly, he waves to the audience in front of him. He turns around to the people behind him and he does this again. He continues speaking, at which point he says something like, “and I mean it from my heart”

              Does it look exactly like the Nazi Salute? Yes; and that’s what makes it so funny. It’s a hilariously stupid Faux Pas at probably the worst time, but was he actually standing on stage and praising Hitler? No.

              It’s just that simple. I’m not going to ignore that my eyeballs can see him gripping his heart and I’m not going to ignore that my ears can hear him say “and I mean it from the bottom of my heart”.

              I’m not going to lie about what happened. I heard what he said, I saw him grab his heart.

              If you’re mad at me for not going along with your lie, then eat shit, I’m not going to be nice to a bunch of people trying to spread misinformation.

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          Here’s what happened:

          He stood on stage and said something like, “And I thank you all from the bottom of my heart”; then he grabbed his heart and waved to the audience

          Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely; and that’s what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is such a massive fucking moron that he accidentally stood on a world stage and gave a Nazi Salute three times.

          What he didn’t do was stand on stage and then Heil Hitler

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            Must be hard no one’s buying your revisionist narrative, no matter how many times you repeat it

            Oh well. Sucks for you.

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            You’re copy-pasting the exact same tired bullshit excuse like you’re his personal PR person at this point.

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        Did you actually watch a video of him doing it? He made sure there could be no mistake of what he was really doing. It was an act of defiance and he did it again facing the party insignia they had set up behind him to emphasize that point.

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          Yes, that’s how I know he wasn’t saluting Hitler but instead thanking from from his heart.

          I believe he says, “My heart goes out to you”

          He’s a massive fucking idiot doing an incredibly stupid thing and that’s funny as fuck. It’s a shame you are all so angry that you literally can’t laugh at one of the funniest fucking faux pas to happen in like 100 years

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                  You mean the video where he’s on stage thanking everyone for supporting Trump in a “very important” election and says that he means it from the bottom of his heart?

                  That video?

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                    Yes the one where he emphatically does an obvious Nazi salute that you are defending with every fiber of your being. I’m sure you’re very proud of him to so openly share your beliefs like that.

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          Here’s what happened:

          He stood on stage and does this, then says that “my heart goes out to you”

          Does it look exactly like a Nazi Salute? Absolutely; and that’s what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is such a massive fucking moron that he accidentally stood on a world stage and gave a Nazi Salute three times.

          What he didn’t do was stand on stage and then Heil Hitler

          If you want to get technical, a Nazi Salute does not flat palm the heart, it’s that sideways hand all the way through. And why does he flat palm his heart? Because he was thanking the audience from his heart. There’s no need to lie about what happened, what happened is incredibly fucking stupid and make him look dumb as fuck on it’s own

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            Then he turned around, faced the rnc symbol on the wall, and did it a second time. Was he “thanking the symbol from his heart” too?

            If you want to get technical, he made the exact same gesture Hitler did in the side by side video I posted. Are you saying that technically Hitler wasn’t doing a Nazi salute? Cause if anyone knows what a Nazi salute is, it’s him.

            Look, we all know what he did, and it wasn’t an accident or an adorable awkward moment from a neuro divergent. Absolute best, most generous case is that he was trolling Democrats. But that DOES NOT change that fact he did an intentional Nazi salute.

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              There were people behind him

              He’s not trolling, that would require him to be clever

              He’s just an idiot

              It’s like that scene in Family Guy where Peter Griffin becomes a staunch feminist and decides to go to the Million Man March to tell the MEN that it’s their fault there is crime and violence in the world… just a bumbling fucking moron who doesn’t realize he just told a bunch of BLACK men that it’s there’s fault there’s crime and violence in the world

              Except this shit actually happened in real life and you won’t let yourself realize it

              I’m not annoyed you guys are shitting on Elon, fuck him, I’m annoyed you’re so eager to always see the worst that you won’t let yourself see that what actually happened is one of the funniest fucking things that’s happened in like 100 years

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                Once or twice is a fluke, but he’s done enough Nazi-like things and associates with enough Nazi-like people that it has become a pattern. He’s been told about it enough that it can no longer be considered an accident. It has become a pattern. A bright red pin wheel shaped pattern.

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            Sieg heil, and you can practically see him doing his best to bite down and not say it out loud, too.

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              But he doesn’t, right? So you don’t actually know if he’s trying to say anything at all, let alone that… but hey, lets just make shit up I guess

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                  I didn’t know that facial expression was part of the Nazi Salute

                  “but he made a silly face” isn’t the fantastic argument you think it is

                  We can’t go off what you imagine, we have to off of what actually happened

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                    I’m saying he would’ve loved to throw out a few sieg heils while he was swinging that arm, but you seem really, really desperate to defend the piece of shit so it won’t get through to you anyway.

                    Have fun licking those boots, though.

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        The guy writing apartheid apologist commentary, funding fascist political groups here in Europe, advocates for the release of any arrested fascist or supremacist on the grounds of “free speech”, and openly believes in Nazi created conspiracies like “White Genocide” and “Great Replacement Theory”, threw up two consecutive Nazi salutes entirely by accident?

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        He was trying to reproduce the dynamic of the OK hand sign.

        What happened then is that neonazis online thought it would be hilarious to use the innocent sign as an in-joke. Leftists caught on quickly since they are obsessed with fascism coming back and the whole thing was quite public. Then the OK sign spread gradually from online self-professed neo-nazis to real life hard right politicians. Finally, when leftists said “this is a neo-nazi symbol”, they got laughed at in the media by these rightist politicians along with the apolitical neutral commentators.

        This had two effects : first, it paints the left as a bunch of crazies and the hard right as relaxed funny types by comparison; second, it acted as a shibboleth. What I mean by that is that if became possible to know people’s politics by simply showing them the sign and asking “what is this?” — you’d get either a puzzled look, a denunciation of far right politics, or a knowing chuckle and wink.

        Musk tried doing the same thing with his nazi salute : build some plausible deniability with the “I give my heart to you” comment, and then immediately afterward tweeting stuff like “the Nazi attack is sooo tired”. The hard right base recognized the drill and started using it as a shibboleth too.

        But it was too much too fast, the whole of MAGA wasn’t ready to commit to literally Nazi salutes, so it was written off as Musk being a weirdo.

        You can tell it wasnt a simple mistake because then Musk would have produced some kind of blabd corporate apology afterward, not immediately made nazi puns on social media

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        Uh… Do you really want me to pull out the side-by-side of Hitler and Musk saluting?

        It was a Nazi Salute. He didn’t do it accidentally. Look carefully at his face. He was doing his “little stinker” face. The one that he does whenever he things he’s doing something “clever”.

        Stop being an apologist for an open fascist.

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          There’s no doubt it looks almost exactly like a Nazi Salute

          But the reality is that he was not actually doing a Nazi Salute. He’s just a try-hard that, instead of just waving like a normal person, tried to be super intense and cool and ended up doing the Nazi Salute by accident

          It’s only a Nazi Salute if you ignore that he does it wrong at the start, doesn’t say any Nazi phrase that accompanies the salute, has no reason to be done in that context, and that he literally said he was thanking people from his heart when he did it

          But yeah, I guess if we want to ignore all the parts of reality that don’t fit the narrative, I guess it is true

          Elon can get fucked, but so can people who are more interested in pushing a narrative then acknowledging the truth

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            Dude, you are likely the single most delusional person I’ve ever met.

            There’s video out there showing Hitler and Musk performing the same salute side by side, INCLUDING THE HAND OVER THE FUCKING HEART!

            It was a Nazi salute. Stop fluffing the trillionaire already!

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              The video is out there of him literally saying he’s thanking people from his heart

              Does it look like a Nazi Salute, absolutely. Was he actually going, “Heil Hitler”? No.

              Elon can get fucked. But also, so can people who spread misinformation

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          lol, I see this kind of dumb shit escaped reddit

          I guess I should expect to see stupid people everywhere

          The man stands on stage and says, “And I think you from the bottom of my heart” and then he taps his heart and waves

          That’s factually, actually, literally, what happened

          Is also a Nazi Salute? Yes, and that’s what makes it so fucking funny. The dude is that much of a fucking dipshit he accidentally gave the Nazi Salute

          Did he stand on stage and literally Hail Hitler? No

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        I assumed he did do one but not as an an endorsement of Nazis, but as an edgy “this will piss off the libs” kind of thing. Thoughts?

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          I don’t even think he’s that smart

          I think he’s just a fucking moron that didn’t realize what he was doing. It’s like something Peter Griffin would do on Family Guy except, in real life

          It’s hilarious and I’m not annoyed people are shitting on Elon, I’m annoyed people are so ready to see the worst in everything that they literally can’t see one of the funniest fucking things that happened in a long time

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            I dunno I’m finding it hard to find it funny. Like a bit if what you’re saying is true and he’s that dumb, but I think he likely egged on some extremists.