• Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com
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      11 days ago

      They would be either way. For the moment there is some hope and evidence things are getting better instead of just endlessly sliding worse and worse.

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        11 days ago

        The evidence is it’s getting worse, not better. Poverty is increasing significantly.

        How is there hope?

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          11 days ago

          Because inflation rate is decreasing. It’s still triple digits but it’s going down.

          Imagine a wildfire spreading rapidly. Remedial action is taken and then it continues to spread but notably slower. Obviously there’s more to do but it is still good news for a place where that is in short supply.

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              11 days ago

              It’s not a good thing. No one here is arguing that poverty is good. It’s that their current choice is ‘still pretty high inflation w/ high poverty’ is preferable to ‘holy shit that’s their monthly inflation w/ high poverty’.

              Low poverty is no longer in Argentina’s deck for the foreseeable near future. Inflation will rob the working class people of any thing they are given or earn.

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                11 days ago

                The poverty was far lower before Milei started implementing austerity measures, so yes, by saying his measures are a good thing, you are saying high poverty is a good thing.

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                  10 days ago

                  Only if you believe there is no direct connection between the devaluation of people’s savings paired with increased costs of goods and poverty.

                  Hyper inflation in itself leads to poverty.

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                    10 days ago

                    Then why is poverty so much higher now than it was before Milei started implementing his libertarian ideas?

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          11 days ago

          Inflation is going down. That brings hope. A year ago some saw their life savings’ purchasing power cut to a third. That brings despair. This year it only went down by half, which brings hope because it’s an improvement. Once inflation is at a reasonable level, economic growth will have to bring hope, which it probably won’t, since Milei will be focused on lowering debt and trying to fill the hole in the central bank, which still stands at negative 7 billion dollars in foreign reserves.

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            11 days ago

            Being in poverty with hope is really not any different from being in poverty without hope. You starve either way.

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        11 days ago

        It’s why inflation sucks soo much.

        The only realistic way to make it so you can keep affording to buy something is to make it so alot of people can’t afford anything for now.

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          11 days ago

          Or we could perpetually redistribute the excess wealth of the rich so everyone can have proportional spending power again.

          Ir we could tie min wage to inflation.

          There’s better ways of fixing income inequality than making everyone unemployed and homeless, but i guess it’s time humanity learn this economic lesson AGAIN instead of making correct decisions.

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            10 days ago

            First, I fully agree the super wealthy need to pay more tax - let’s not get in the way of that.

            Redistribution of wealth would only drive up inflation, not actually fixing the problem of inflation v incomes. Basic supply and demand equilibrium - incomes increase, quantity demanded increases (price goes up), new suppliers enter market to meet this new demand that are willing to accept this higher price… Higher prices and quantity supplied.

            Giving everyone more money to buy food doesn’t magically create space for new farms, especially not in the short term.

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            11 days ago

            There is not enough wealth in Argentina to distribute to all the poor people. You need to grow the economy first. But if you print a lot of money and spend it, you get inflation.

            So Milei is first getting spending and inflation in order which is cratering the economy. But at least it solves the budget and inflation problem.