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I would answer debian, but I want her to say arch.
I want my girlfriend to be smarter than me ok!?
Whenever I hear Debian, I always imagine a newb OS called Nubian and damn that’d slap as a name.
All text would be in Papyrus font.
I always imagine a newb OS called Nubian
You mean an African distro?
Why not-a? It-a worked for Nana Bou’s African bistro-a!
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Both.
Debian for anything that has to run unattended for a long time without requiring much care. Arch for the desktop.
Ubuntu Server LTS on my first-ever server. I’mma green rook at this. I’m amazed at how quickly and easily Casa was to get up and running on an old laptop.
I still got a long ways to go before I can try Debian for a server.
Debian is just Ubuntu without all the annoying parts.
While I agree about the annoying Ubuntu parts, Ubuntu Server LTS does seem to ditch those annoying parts also. Besides, I’m running CasaOS over the top. So I haven’t needed to deal with Ubuntu directly after setup. And hopefully, it stays that way until that old laptop dies.
There were still plenty of annoying parts left when I ditched Ubuntu Server as my default server OS for plain Debian. In fact, increasing annoyances was one of the reason I made the switch. This was around 2018 or so, during the 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS switch, and I haven’t looked back. I’m quite happy with Debian 13 that’s currently powering my VMs.
Fair game not wanting to change a running setup of course, but do yourself a favor and look into Debian the next time you’re doing a new install of something.
Oh, I’ve run Debian a number of times over the years. I have 2 issues with it, I want newer software and I’m just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain. I’ve also spent years running Ubuntu off and on also.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want. And honestly, the first set of setup instructions for my repurposed laptop server that actually made sense as I read through them was for Ubuntu. So, Ubuntu it is - at least for now. Perhaps I might switch to Fedora at some point.
I want newer software and I’m just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain
I don’t really get the “newer software” argument … they just leapfrog each other every year or so, if you stick to LTS versions. For example, when Trixie came out it was more up-to-date than Noble Numbat (24.04 LTS), and then Resolute Racoon (26.04 LTS) leapfrogged Trixie again, and next year Forky will leapfrog Resolute Racoon.
Also, with Debian, if the stable release is getting a bit stale, you always have the option to start off with Debian Testing, and get something that’s near bleeding edge up-to-date, and then follow testing until the next stable release and then stay on stable.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want
Never used CasaOS, but how would the setup process be any different on Debian? From an admin perspective, they’re nearly identical …
I had a quick glance at the CasaOS getting started page, and not only does Debian have official support but it’s recommended over Ubuntu, and the installation instructions appear to be exactly the same.
To me it just sounds like you’re a little bit stuck in your ways.
I’ve used Debian and I’m just not a fan. It’s doubtful that will ever change.
To me it sounds like you just want to be right about what’s “better”. I never said I would run Ubuntu server forever. It’s just where I started. It works and does all I need it to do right now. If I decide I need something different, I will find something different at that time. Until then, Ubuntu is working just fine.
Manjaro.
Throws the table
Why? I really enjoyed Mankato while slowly breaking it (Arch is just not for people like me)
openSUSE.
Im still surprised that opensuse still exists. We had to give it a try for networking classes back in ~2007 and it was very server oriented and totally didnt have a desktop feel.
That was almost 20 years ago. It is nothing like that anymore I would say. Some things are still more complicated to configure but then, other things just work that don’t work for example on my other system that runs pop-os, in general openSUSE is just as easy to install as any user friendly distro. And among the rolling release distros, openSUSE Tumbleweed is probably the most stable of them all.
opi is a great tool, even when just looking for applications in the regular repository. But then you can also very easily access the open build service with it as well.
This hurts because Debian is named after a couple (Debra Lynn and Ian Murdock) who got married and divorced and Ian passed away. Going with Debian is a lifetime of hurt.
On the other hand Arch girls are described in Rick James’s song “Superfreak”.
and yet… their names are immortalized… it wouldnt surprise me if debian is still around in 50 years
Arch. I’m still having nightmares from trying to install up to date versions of user-space software onto Debian in 2008-ish, usually leading to having to compile it from source, usually leading to having many compiler errors due to make and GCC being quite a few versions behind. All the help I got in those days through forums are links to WinXP ISO torrents, and telling me that to stop ruining their “hobby OS”.
Me: “Numbers or mechanics?”
Is this like asking if looking for a fling or a long term relationship?
ubuntu because my brain is so small
the name comes from the Bantu word “ubuntu” which loosely translated means, “debian is too hard”
She best answer Kinonite. Easy effort, and it’s as fresh as we need. Leaving plenty of time to make sweet, sweet love. (cue Barry White soundtrack)
Devuan.
FTFYImpotent or idempotent ?
Both. desktop is arch based, server is Debian.
You slut, you!
That’s all it takes to be a distro slut!?
What the heck am I then?
%brl list -v artix bedrock ceres -> devuan-ceres devuan -> devuan-ceres devuan-ceres devuan-ceres-new devuan-chimaera devuan-testing -> devuan-chimaera devuan-unstable -> devuan-ceres exherbo fartix fentoo fexherbo garyos gentoo gentoostudio goblin gs -> gentoostudio hijacked -> gentoo init -> gentoo jentoo kentoo kentwo local -> gentoostudio marklar oasis pclinuxos space suckless tentoo tudio -> gentoostudio ubuntu void void-kdeAnd that’s just one of my computers.
[… it’s starting to make sense, thinking about one thing I made, I called wminizer]
I suggest a regimen of cold showers and coarse towels.
But like with glasses or something.
What the heck am I then?
A container slut.
What the heck am I then?
A container slut.
???
But… there are zero containers on any of my systems.
Actually, looking at that list again, I see I’ve neglected upgrading on that computer for longer than I realised… chimaera as testing? *checks site*, yeah that’s “Chimaera 4.0 has moved to oldoldstable status.”. That’s like 4 versions old. XD
Are you waiting for an invitation?
Oooh yeah, baby, let’s debug the networking stack together!
Don’t be silly,
chmod o-wyour$WILLY!Phew! For a split second I misred that as
chmod o+w.
Yep. “Depends on the use case” is a solid answer.
🥵 yeah talk dirty to me.
I run apt upgrade before apt update.
My iptables INPUT chain default policy is set to ACCEPT.
This is the way! Everything is based on Arch, Debian or Fedora anyway so you might as well stick to what is well known and supported.
angry Gentoo and NixOS noises
well known and supported 🤪
From my understanding NixOS and Gentoo is “support it yourself”. I haven’t tried either of them so I could be completely wrong about that.
It’s pretty much the same thing as everywhere, you have a bunch of lovely people who package and test things, nothing too weird. What you are describing is LFS.
I was under the impression that you had to compile everything yourself on Gentoo and in Nix that you have to mess with a config to do everything and anything.
Maybe I should try them both to see what the fuzz is about.
Speaking about Gentoo, you don’t “have to” compile everything, but let’s just say it’s strongly encouraged. Most of the compilation is automated though, think AUR on steroids. If you don’t want to touch anything, you can go with defaults for all the software and you’ll get basically what you get on any other distro.
The thing is, though, if you are not being a little funny with your software, why the hell are you running Gentoo? So, it’s entirely optional, but it’s the main reason one would use Gentoo, otherwise you get a stock standard system with stupidly long updates.
I can’t speak for Nix, though, I haven’t touched it myself, but from what I know from those around me running it, it’s pretty much the same thing, unless you want something cool, you don’t have to suffer.
Okey thank you so much for the information! I can see the appeal. More freedom and customization. I am all for it.
But for my use cases I think Arch is enough. It strikes a nice balance with official packages and the AUR and I love that you get to choose all of the packages you want to have installed.
How is Nix with software support these days?
Nothing else even comes close, except the AUR, but even that not really:
Interesting graphs.
Alas, the metric’s a mite confounded by the different ways distros split up packages. So it skews e.g. the Debians up, and the voidlinuxen down.
… I’m guessing that still wouldn’t be enough to put a dent in AUR and nixpkg 's towering package counts though.
That is very surprising, last I heard it had to catch up with having popular applications. Is this due to how package dependencies differ on Nix vs what people think of traditionally as packages?
Not really. (When was last time?)
The reason is more that the config language that you have to learn if you want to use NixOS is the exact same you use to package applications for NixOS.
So any user is also just a tiny, non-intimidating step away from being a contributor and package maintainer.
I know for myself, I never packaged for the AUR - just seemed way to intimidating and a lot of new stuff to figure out - but I maintain a bunch of packages and modules in nixpkgs, and they’re all stuff that was “huh, this is cool but not packaged yet; alright, I’ll package it in my private config; oh that was easy, let’s upstream it”.
Couldn’t even tell you tbh.
Well that’s pretty cool. I always liked the idea of being mega reproducible. I might try it on my home server instead of Debian.
There is another reply to this comment where I said I’m not using it. If you are interested in something specific why not just go type the package name into their repository search thingy?
Slackware users in shambles!
uss babe uss
Reverse UNO
NixOS* but yes
My wife uses Debian, but I love her anyway. ❤️
Do you call her Debbie Anne?
Fun fact that not a lot of people seem to know: the name is a portmanteau of “Deborah” and “Ian”. The names of the Creator and his then wife
Debbie Anne, Debbie Anne
Much to cool for Windows pain
Debbie Anne she’s like one in a mill-
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanDeb Deb Deb, Deb Debbie Anne!
