While I can see even being an agent and enforcer… it’s possible to be a good guy in desperate situation, no different than how I can see someone might turn to a mobster or gangster that way. Hell even the “If I don’t do it, someone worse will take the job, I can at least do it with as much compasion as the job allows”.

Those excuses kind of go out the window though when they start shooting a prone, disarmed, pepper sprayed guy. I can hate the organization, and note it has horrible training. Being desperate enough to join ice is one thing… however you’d think that would lead to being as non horrible as possible in the job. As not every ice incident leads to a shooting, it’s still fair to say the ice agents that do shoot peaceful protestors are clearly the worse of the worse.

I guess my point is federated services, at least prior to a world where they become mainstream, are only particularly good if

1. You have a group of people all willing to use them together (IE Matrix, Friendster etc…), Join as a group don’t expect to find other specific individuals.

2. If you do want to meet people, you are looking for pretty broad categories encompass millions. IE on lemmy you can certainly find an anime community, you won’t find an active jujitsu kaisen community.

Anyway so my point on things like Dating, Linked In etc… those topics are likely to be the last to have a hope in the federation, because their services on their own, require users, but more importantly those users have to be localized (IE dating sites need, both a high volume of users, and those users need to be in close geographical proximity, and have some reasonable male to female ratio, and then have some level of common interests). A linked in needs… job seekers, and companies/head hunters. Of which you can’t expect companies to put in resources without a large userbase… and you can’t expect the userbase to grow without company usage.

Is there even really a function for linkedin without… well what it is? The last people to adopt new and open source tech are… corporate executives, and to my knowledge the whole point of linked in is, a psudo job hunting web page, with some social media pages as a secondary (of which people are only going to be posting “work hard” and “I work hard” kind of messages because… well they’d never post something that might make them less attractive to employers.

I guess the point is, what’s the use of an open non corporate controlled linked in? I can convince a handful of friends to maybe join a facebook alternative to make it useful, Lemmy certainly is an ok reddit alternative, at least for the equivelant of bigish communities, and mid sized tech communities.

Things I don’t see working in federation, are things that you are looking for… well people that aren’t going to switch for you… and most importantly people geographically close to you. Companies aren’t going to use their HR members time searching for people on a niche career site, dating sites are likely lost causes because… well no matter how bad the sites are… a dating site where most people are 300 miles away from the nearest compatible person isn’t going to be of much use, and job seekers don’t have the luxury of moving before the companies they want to work for go.

Honestly I somehow picture this spinning in 2 directions.

Maga’s going to find a way to claim illegal immigrants infiltrated ICE, and that’s the reason why there’s violence now… so we need more ICE to deal with Illegals.

I wouldn’t say that… there are indeed scams out there that aren’t related to trump… at least not until the scammer gets caught and trump pardons him.

So would be more accurate to say on the ven diagram, the trump circle is completely inside of the scams circle, (though the scams circle is certainly bigger than the trump one).

Pretty sure the flow chart for identifying scams goes.

“Is trump in the name?” With yes leading to “it’s a scam”

If they had spines, democrats would be running on “we shut down the government to protect all people from illegal searches under ice. Or to prevent constituents health insurance premiums from shooting up. Meanwhile the republicans shut down the government to protect only themselves from legal investigations”.

That’s because the joker never was in charge of the federal government.

That being said, I think joker as president would be a nice step up… he’s chaotic as hell, but he hates indiscriminately, he explicitly will not work with nazi’s (If I recall a crossover had him meet red skull, who he opposed the second he realized he was a real nazi).

agreed, honestly what I would really like someone to do if they are able, get a large enough sample size of ice enforcers names and run background checks. So we can demonstrate side by side the percentage of people with histories of violent offences and property crimes, next to the low percentage of illegal immigrants going out. On a practical level it’s obvious how it will pan out, but posting things with “trust me bro”.

True but then it’s still worth pointing out the sides disparity… IE democrats sure as hell have had people switch alligences. Within the media sector, half the groups associated with the young turks, went on to become right wing. (Jimmy Dore, Dave Reuben etc…) Politician wise, we’ve had quite a few flips from democrat to either independent or republican. Yet none of them leave with "Hey here’s all the dirt I learned.

The point is I find it most telling that these conspiracy theorists, that are famous for grasping at the thinnest of straws when attacking the left, yet by attacking the right, they demonstrate that they do know what real evidence looks like. Basically to me that’s a showing of the question of are they actually crazy, or are they grifters.

Ever notice how when the conspiracy nuts attack the right, they bring receipts, actual recordings, solid evidence. Then she goes for the left with like the absurd Macron conspiracy where her evidence is basically "this girl looks a bit like her brother… nevermind the fact that he’s been in public many times since the claim started etc…

It’s about the feeling of safety. I mean could you imagine how terrifying it must feel just walking around a school, dragging a kicking and screaming 10 year old out and think to yourself… what if one of these kids has a gun and starts shooting! We all see it on the news every day… but it’s so much easier to watch when it’s just little kids trying to get about their day getting shot. It hits so much harder when it’s 30 year old trained gunmen that might have to face being in the line of fire.

Or walking down the street just minding your business spraying pepper spray in peoples faces, and think to yourself, what if someone in this crowd has a gun. I’m only wearing 3 layers of body armor, and I’ve only got 15 friends around also armed with large assault rifles, gas masks, and tear gas to protect myself, maybe one person in this crowd, might have a weapon somewhere, and might even think about using it.

Or imagine the fear they feel every time they burst down someones door, with only 10 other soldiers, and a mere inches of riot shield in front of them to protect them from these people that have a small chance of owning a firearm somewhere in the house, these brave souls need protection!

I can’t imagine what it’s like to live in that kind of fear.

He’s already announced investigation into her hasn’t he? Claiming her wealth increase when she married a rich dude is suspicious?

Actually I imagine the biggest thing of the “protection money” racket concept… to my understanding that requires being the most dangerous thing in the area. While the obvious concept of protection money is it’s to prevent the group you are paying from robbing you… it is kind of protection in the sense that a small time crook wants to rob stores in a mafia controlled area, the mob will go after him.

I’d imagine an army sized groups breaking down doors etc… means paying the mob ain’t that good of a deal.

Also I’d say… I’m pretty sure most organized crime, has their own code of morals. Ice thug may be outside many of their standards.

Would TRUE capitalism have any problems?

Well only a TRUE Scottsman could tell you how TRUE capitalism works.

But OK so in short the gist of theory in capitalism.

Free market ideas - IE capitalism with no government oversite. If a company makes shitty products, someone else will make a less shitty product and all consumers will switch, or if a company starts dumping toxic waste into the drinking water, people would figure it out and stop buying that product… Parts of it are kind of a pipe dream because, some products are inherantly expensive to get started in. Lets face it, Facebook, Windows etc… aren’t dominant because their products are the best, pretty sure you could poll their userbase and find abysmal satisfaction among them. Yet even a giant as big as google, can’t accomplish the resources needed to compete in those markets… let alone a startup out of nowhere.

Now regulations obviously that’s where crony vs regulated comes up in discussion.

Obviously to me the big part is, safety matters. First off the bat, information, consumers can’t even make decisions if they don’t know. If you are putting poison in food, or calling something healthy when it’s loaded with crap, consumers have to know that.

Environmental is a bigger problem. Obviously requiring you to shield and not leak toxins into the drinking water… is a big problem, and it creates a huge problem, as the companys selling gas, or manufacturing chemicals etc… that spend less on safety are at a huge advantage in pricing to the consumer, who can’t tell why the more ethical companies are so expensive, only that they are more expensive. But the more safety that’s required, the higher the bar to entry is…

You have rights this is america *

• Rights should be exercised at your own risk… Courts may change their rulings on them at any time, and not even the best lawyer on earth can revive after you’ve been shot in the head.

I mean DNS is always the issue… but then that’s kind of the double edged sword as well isn’t it?

Conceptually 4 options come to mind.

1. DNS as current - weakness domain name changes or DNS outages or poisoning

2. IP address - Issues, migration etc… some instances may need to move services etc…

3. SSL private/public keys - probably the strongest I’d imagine. only real weakness I can see is… 1. it has no ability to find a server, and I guess if a server is hacked and it’s private key is stolen, federated servers would not be able to spot the imposter.

I do think 3 might be the strongest option. I don’t know anything on how lemmy etc… works. I’d imagine a strategy would be, When A and B federate with eachother, A records B’s Domain name, IP, and public key (and B gets A’s as well), if DNS goes down attempt recorded IP. If neither work wait for an incoming connection and if the new connections public key matches an existing public key, it assumes the identity.

But as far as the user side I don’t really know. Obviously we can only match users as their domains. I can’t imagine how I could find you again with [email protected] when sh.itjust.works domain is unregistered.

I would rephrase that to many, far more just wielding flags, beating officers with doors etc…, but yes there were a lot of armed protestors on january 6th… and the only person that got shot was one who breached so far past where she was supposed to go that there was no rational way to prevent congress and pence etc… from getting attacked.

Also charlottesville, covid 19 armed protests (https://everytownresearch.org/report/covid-armed-protests/), etc… bottom line there’s been a hell of a lot of right wing armed protests… and one thing they all have in common… people blatently brandishing guns didn’t get shot by cops.

Good god the NRA is such a BS organization.

On one end they are yelling at one politician for saying, bringing a gun to a protest has a chance of giving them an excuse to shoot you. Which is objectively what just fricking happened, and good grief Bill Essayli’s backtrack of it is… almost worse.

“I never said it’s legally justified to shoot law-abiding concealed carriers. My comment addressed agitators approaching law enforcement with a gun and refusing to disarm”

Good fucking grief… The man wasn’t an agitator… he didn’t “refuse to disarm”. He got the shit kicked out of him for trying to help a woman up, before they spotted the gun, disarmed him themselves and then executed him.

Key takeaways from the actual incident.

If you concealed carry. You are morally and legally in the right to do so, but the untrained keystone cops of ice, might kill you, and it remains to be seen if there is any hope that they will be held accountable.

NRA almost wants to take the right side here… but of course “wait for the full investigation” is there way of saying "ok look this is exactly the situation we’ve been saying we’re going to defend… but it’s crimes by the republicans so… lets find a democrat we can try to blame and say nothing about the responsible concealed carry person that was just executed.

They damn well know there will never be any kind of investigation… they know damn well that the evidence we have right now put together by concerned citizens, is the only evidence that we will ever get. Besides the lies that the current administration is going to say on TV.

and no ones denying the existance of such… Fact is at the end of the day no one actually winds up liking uncensored platforms. First and foremost is obviously spam, advertisements etc… But assuming just spam is blocked, a zero censorship platforms first wave will be people who’s views constantly get them kicked off other platforms. It’s not really possible to a have a platform welcoming to literal self identified nazi’s, that doesn’t quickly become exclusively nazi’s.

So yeah lemmy the thing I like about it overall is I think we are all in agreement, the initial showerthought is right… we generally are only OK with censorship that meets our own views of what should be censored, and lemmy offers the ability for people who disagree, to make their own instance. So you can have anything from tanky friendly to nazi friendly instances.