What an absolute coward. Bowing down to the USA because Trump told him to. Fucking coward.
Old man shouldn’t get a say in what a woman is.
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Can we not just have gender neutral bathrooms and changing rooms and be done with it?
“But what about MtF people going into sports?” Just put a fucking asterisk by their name on the leader boards.
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A lot of women/girls would be uncomfortable with having to share a bathroom with men/boys.
They can always stay home
Same argument that was made for gay people sharing locker rooms, bigots never get new material. If you’re not comfortable sharing a bathroom with someone, then, ya know, you don’t have to use it.
Why is it queer people have to suffer for bigotry? Why not just be less of a bigot?
A lot of people are uncomfortable with bigots leaving reddit and joining lemmy.
You put the handwashing station in an open area, visible to the hallway.
You put floor to cieling stalls for the actual doing your business part.
I have been to a lot of places that do this and nobody cares. It is an added level of safety that you are either in private or visible to passers by.
To be totally honest: I like the current divided setup for the purely selfish reason of the men’s toilet being less occupied than the women’s toilet at most places with a lot of people.
But that would mean that in average it would be a net benefit to use non divided ones, since then the empty stalls would be used.
You’d have to smooth that over with the people who have problems sharing bathrooms with the opposite sex and the businesses that have to build the infrastructure.
There are plenty of places where nobody cares, like campgrounds. But there are other places where people care a lot, like schools.
I just visited a high school that does exactly this, and no one cares.
In fact they like it better.
That’s great.
Does that mean nobody cares anywhere else?
It’s also impressive that such a consensus can be reached among dozens to hundreds of students. Not a single person cares? They all like it better?
There will always be somebody who doesn’t like something. But you normalize things and then people adapt.
They like it better because they feel it is more private.
Nobody cares about washing their hands or fixing thier hair or whatever in front of others, and the appreciate that when they are doing the business part their is a completely private space.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that there is any context in which your interlocutor would accept trans people being treated like people.
Guess what? Trans women also don’t feel comfortable using men’s bathrooms or sharing bathrooms with men. Because trans women are women.
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Wow, the mods literally banned this person for saying “That’s your belief and you’re entitled to it.”
If that’s not mod abuse to support an agenda, I don’t know what is.
Maybe it’s because trans women are women
Well, anyone who disagrees is banned so you don’t really get to see different perspectives.
I guess it’s all intentional. You don’t want people discussing it because in your head the discussion is already done and you don’t want anyone to disagree with a conclusion that you like. Pretty scummy, but that’s to be expected.
There is no point debating with people whose views exist on the same side as the nazis currently occupying the US.
Because trans women are women.
It’s the truth, not a belief.
Yeah, religious people say the same things.
Well unlike religion, science supports this truth. Decades of science and listening to trans people and their lived experiences.
Oh, are we banning Christians from bathrooms on the basis that you disagree with them? Maybe Muslims make you uncomfortable and you don’t want them near women?
Sincerely, what is your argument here, “I don’t believe you, so what you said is invalid it’s a religion.”? Trans women are women. I don’t understand how that is a debate or why you think it’s equivalent to some religion, it’s an assertion of identity.
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Your comment was removed for endorsing transphobia, now you’re temp banned for repeating it.
That’s weird cuz most of them do it at home.
Not with strangers and not at the same time.
Are you implying that in public restrooms people share the same stall?
Also the strangers thing ain’t exactly solved by having one gender bathroom is it? So that seems like a moot point to me.
No, they share the same room.
I’m not trying to justify their reasons, so there’s not much of a point in trying to argue with me.
If you think women have no reason to be afraid or uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with men, that’s fine. A significant portion of them will disagree with you, though. If you are unsure of or question their reasoning, you’d be better off communicating with them since I do not share their sentiment.
Edit: I just got a reply from RedSeries saying trans women are afraid to share bathrooms with men. Perhaps you can discuss with she/her about the merits on why.
In the scenario I described to you trans people are much more comfortable than have 2 sex bathrooms.
A single sex bathroom means there is no choice that need to be made. They do not have to present as anything, nor be judged as anything. It is simply a person in a public room, and a private room for the private time.
It also means (as I described it) the sharing of the hand washing mirror facilities are barely different than being in the hallway. Do people share hallways? Of course. So this open to the public space adds a level of protection.
Then for the private space it is single use. One person.
I feel like I am having a hard time getting this across, and I don’t know why.
I feel like I am having a hard time getting this across, and I don’t know why.
Because they’re just moving the goalposts until you “slip” and say something that confirms their biases against you. Being “right” is never the goal.
I really have it with those old white men.
Why can’t you just shut up if you are incapable of adjusting your world view to the 21st century?
As an old white man, I completely agree. It’s not always easy to change old habits, but people’s refusal to even try is infuriating.
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If you don’t respect my trans homies, I’m gonna identify as a problem.
I hope you get everything you deserve.
Edit: Ha! Huff my duff, Nazi trash.
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Say that where people can, cowardly bigot.
I don’t believe Keir Starmer is Labour. Fight me.
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Isn’t that why he helped remove actual labour people to make new, now more tory labour?
Remeber how when there was a fight for gay marriage a good portion of people said they didnt mind the legal concept and just wanted to call it “civil unions” and we totally did that as a first step to placate those people before going full on equal marriage…
I wonder why the approach to trans rights has been so all or nothing with people It seems like there is no real desire for progress from eithet side the way things stand now.
Well, that whole civil union thing didn’t really work out so well and those same people were still (and are still) homophobic to the extreme so why give them anything? They are clearly not interested in compromises anyway.
And why the fuck is there a compromise position at all? Bigots don’t have a right to discriminate against people. If they don’t want to get on board they can fuck off.
What happens when that attitude ends up creating more biggots and we find ourselves even more outnumbered. I dont know what the best solution is but surely its not to alienate a full third of the entire population and expect that to work out well for everyone.
On a personal one to one level i do agree they can fuck off. But from an observing the reality of living in a country that just elected a fascist, im worried all the demanding people accept things they disagree with lest they be shunned, its just going to lead to more pushback against trans and other vulnerable people.
I dont know what the best solution is but surely its not to alienate a full third of the entire population and expect that to work out well for everyone
A full third of the population is already alienated. It’s not working well for anyone. I’m simply saying we should leave a full third behind in the dust if they don’t want to give up bigotry. These people are not helpless, they know that they’re wrong, and they’re doing this shit anyway. Compromising with them is exactly why we elected a fascist.
And to be clear, conservatives drove this, they had a million opportunities to turn around, and refused every time. I’m not the one who brought us here.
Again i agree with this 100% on a personal level, my concern is just that it seems like that third is growing and the other side is shrinking due to increasing in fighting. Im not really sure what the solution for that is, i just think its a bad trend and leads to more hostility.
How didnt it work out? It lead to eventually getting marriage equality world wide, in large part because those first states tried to do civil unions.
By your logic, when they freed the slaves, they really should’ve done it slowly instead of all at once, because look how many racists it made!
Or was civil rights too fast as well?
Im not sure you have my logic correct… Im not saying we should do things slower, im saying its concerning how black or white everything has gotten, everyone has purity tests and if you dont pass you arent worth engaging with and im concerned that will have a lot of negative consequences and lead to increased hostility.
I am sharing an observation, not suggesting a solution. I am saying the way things are is concering and while i hope for a positive outcome (one where people are accepted for who they are) i see a lot more pushback than acceptance with the current strategy/mindset.
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Why are they trying so hard to prove it, if it’s the obvious truth? I never saw my mother and sister having to prove or defend the point that they are women.
Well, regardless of my standpoint, I might not like what you have to say but I will for sure fight for your right to say it. Same goes for everyone.
Why are they trying so hard to prove it, if it’s the obvious truth?
It’s unclear, and quite important, who you mean by “they” here.
The ones who try to pass something that’s not a common sense as a common sense.
And I’m still not sure whether you mean the “your gender is the sex you’re born with” people or the “trans women are women” people.
