I don’t understand why anyone would be mad that someone was saving foxes from becoming pelts.

Unless you’re the piece of shit profiting from the suffering and death of those animals, in which case, your opinion is null and void, nobody should be against the idea IMO.

It’s incredible to me that anyone would carry such vitriol against such a noble cause.

May she rest in peace.

Yes, that was her channel.

Hers was SaveAFox

I don’t really know any details about how stuff worked beyond just saving foxes, but my random guess would be people calling it woke and attacking that, there are many people who think things involved with helping the environment and things related to that is bad. It seems like anything considered remotely “woke” is attacked because of rhetoric coming from the right wing.

It seems to be related to fur and there are people who dislike the idea of losing access to animal products like fur coats and leather goods, that is likely related.

Mainly the same criticism of famous social media influencers who are not qualified or experts in the thing they are doing. Being passionate about something doesnt make everything you do the right thing. All that said, I don’t agree that should cause hate, but criticism or opposing opinions were fair in this situation when it comes down to animal welfare.

Not the ending any reasonable person would want I would hope.

That still sounds like victim blaming to me? Yes, there are a ton of shit people in the world, but I feel like rather than “she shouldn’t have taken up that career”, we should instead be fighting back against the idea that people are allowed to be this shitty:

• What’s up with these people that they give out so much abuse?
• Did YouTube and other sites do anything to protect her?
• What else can we do to protect vulnerable people from abuse while letting them do their job?
• What support did she get? Could she have had more?
• How can we prevent this from happening to the next content creator?

I don’t know the answer to these, but just saying ‘she shouldn’t have started in the first place’ feels like a massive cop out to me.

Shut the fuck up, this is absolutely victim blaming. “Maybe she should’ve just wallowed in her depression quietly instead of trying to show others what it’s like to help and advocate for helpless wild animals.”

I get what you’re trying to say, but by saying it, you’ve demonstrated a significant misunderstanding of what it’s like to live with depression and suicidal ideation.

As simply as I can: I wouldn’t assume that she wasn’t seeking mental health help when she ended her own life. Just because she was successful in removing her own life, does not mean she wasn’t trying to save herself from that outcome.

Intellectually, the above statement is contradictory, if she didn’t want to die, then why did she end her own life? That, is the very nature of suicidal ideation and depression. You can’t intellectually ponder it out of existence, and you can want to live while still having suicidal urges that are hard to control.

This isn’t a logic problem. Intellectual reasoning doesn’t have a place in the discussion. The cognitive therapy you get from a mental health professional often needs to be paired with anti-depressants to mitigate the negative thoughts while you sort of work on rewiring how you think about the things that are causing you to feel depressed. Whether those things are internal thoughts, or comments from external sources…

Depression is a demon that isn’t easy to overcome.

By saying she should have just gotten therapy trivializes the struggle that some people go through every day, so I would expect some down votes for your comment. I understand that your comment is meant to be helpful and coming from a place of caring, but it does not come across that way.

I’ll add a disclaimer: all of the thoughts and ideas expressed here have no scientific, nor medical basis, I am not a doctor. These are from my own personal experiences and research, and have no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience. I may be wrong and if I am, I hope any readers will comment to let me know that I have erred.

A final note: to anyone struggling with mental health: I hope you get the help and support you need to overcome any struggles you may be experiencing. I sincerely hope you can find a path towards mental health that works for you.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

Piss off you victim blaming ass

If you know it’s a stupid comment, maybe don’t make it

You’re blaming the victim.

Fully propagandized idiot who will follow you around commenting on all your posts if you say a single nice thing about China btw ^

That’s the thing. You (and I) don’t know she wasn’t seeing a psychiatrist and/or mental health professional.

You can seek help and want to live while still losing the fight against suicidal ideation.

Why? Do you know psychiatry? Do you know this person? Do you know that she needed one? How can you know that, if you don’t know either of those things? You’re insulting a person who died in pain because you’re too ignorant to know what happened or how to prevent it. Shut up.

Gee, do you think someone with BPD would be more or less likely to die by suicide if they’re facing an online harassment campaign. 🙄

You’re not necessarily wrong. I certainly don’t have any information to refute what you say…

I’m just not sure that pointing this out on a post about a woman’s death is enhancing the discussion at all, so I’m not sure why you felt the need to share…

From my cursory glance, yes, they are

The real hollowness is found in the people who have nothing in their lives so they embrace hate and hound those trying to make the world a better place.

So…wait. I’ve never heard of her, but you’re saying there was an entire subreddit deddicated to making up lies about her, saying she did horrible shit, KNOWING what they said was a lie? Because if I’m reading this right, that’s pretty fucked up.

If there was an organized harassment campaign against her I wonder if there is any legal culpability for those involved.

My wife told me about this last night, supposedly the majority of the abuse came from OTHER FUCKONG RESCUERS!!!

I agree and I hope we all remember that mindset the next time we read about activists blocking a slaughterhouse.

These guys probably saw the Tiger King documentary and decided to armchair warrior to virtue signal how much more pro-animal rights their non-involvement and passivity was than her.

Be online and you will get harassed, it is the way.

Meat eaters can’t stand animal rights activists

Some nasty people just see someone who appears vulnerable/has mental health issues and use that as an excuse to attack someone. there’s this really fucked up site called Kiwifarms that’s been around for over a decade that was specifically made for trying to harass and bully people to death for being “weird”, trans, or neurodivergent. it could also be they were jealous of her popularity

They are filled with hate, because they are deeply insecure, deeply afraid, and the current political and social climate tells them that this is not only an acceptable way to deal with those feelings, but encourages them to deal with those feelings in this manner.

Because it works.

kiwifarms has been doing this en masse for over a decade and others predated that.

It is gauche to link to it considering this is the umpteenth fucking person murdered by angry and hateful bastards. But Patrick Klepek, someone who has been targeted by these orgs for over a decade, wrote about this in the context of the emulator developer Near being murdered by kiwi farms et al a few years back https://www.vice.com/en/article/what-i-learned-from-near-an-emulation-legend-and-real-person/

He talked about it more on the Waypoint (now Remap) podcast, but it is very much an open secret that these hate campaigns are ongoing with the explicit goal of murdering their target (it is not fucking suicide if you were tormented until you picked up the gun). And how even fellow victims who usually will advocate for this kind of stuff are wary of raising their voices because they or their partner are semi regularly approached, in person, by these bastards.

My hope, as always, is that this will be the last time. That this will lead to focused efforts by those with platforms to speak out. The reality is that the mid tier “creators” will probably say something and give the trite “If you or someone you know is in crisis, please call the national suicide prevention lifeline”. Or, well, these days “the national slip and slide prevention lifeline” because gotta stay fucking monetized. And then they’ll remain silent. All while the biggies choose to stay fucking silent out of concerns of losing people in their audience who are part of those hate campaigns.

To be clear, I do not fault the people who are under attack and wary of reminding those murderers they exist. I specifically linked to Patrick’s post because he and the (now Remap) crew did an amazing job of explaining exactly what goes into this and how painful it is and why they are genuinely afraid to speak up.

I do very much fault the ludwigs and charlies of the world who will mention this for clicks and then never care again. And if the truly massive outlets were to speak out against this kind of harassment and reach out to the victims? Suddenly youtube and twitch and reddit and the like would care and start moderating this shit rather than laughing that kotaku in action and the like are so popular and only occasionally link to where the REAL hate and doxxing happens.

Why the hell would anyone feel any need to harass someone like this?

For one, there’s good money in it.

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See, I have no idea what to do with this idea that fits within the bounds of good ethics but I’m certain that there’s something deeply wrong with our species that gets worse the more isolated we can be without dying off. The further back you go the more likely being shunned for being an absolute piece of trash would lead to your death but now the most broken people can still proliferate and cause problems for everyone else without even really needing to leave their homes. I can think of a million better things to do than obssess over and relentlessly bully someone.

I’m glad that we’ve hit a certain point where more and more people are choosing to have higher standards, and maybe that will help, but holy fuck this is gunna take a while to sort out.

Why the hell would anyone feel any need to harass someone like this?

Micro-penises.

Humans not humanity.

God gave us dominion over all creatures read the Bible!

There are children dying in the streets here, why don’t you do anything about them?

The foxes bread for fur here are not capable of living in the wild, “rescuing” and releasing them is the real animal abuse.

I think fox fur is fancy, fuck you lady!

Just some examples I can think of off the top of my head. People can get pretty polarized when it comes to killing, or not killing animals.

I would also like to know what the criticism was, but at the same time, I also feel like the internet can be shit sometimes whether there was reason to criticise or not.

Pretty sad story.

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