Let’s say better late than never.

  • Taalnazi@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Good, but add Armenian and Gaza genocide denial to the list too. Or make it genocide denial in general.

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      21 days ago

      According to the bill, denial of the Holocaust or other serious international crimes, such as those defined under the statutes of the International Criminal Court, would be punishable by a fine or a prison sentence of up to two years.

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      21 days ago

      Armenian and Gaza is fully confirmed, but human rights violations of Xinjiang not so much, it’s semantics at that much, like calling the modern Turkish state genocidal for destroying the culture of Kurds in northern Syria, when it was not explicitly to destroy the people itself

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        21 days ago

        Its forced assimulation just like what the US did to the natives of America. If what the US did was genocide (it is), then what PRC is doing to Xinjiang and Tibet is also genocide.

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          21 days ago

          Fair enough, but the term genocide is far too inclusive, I’ve heard people use cultural genocide instead.

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          No, “cultural genocide” is not genocide. There is a pretty clear legal definition:

          … any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

          (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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            21 days ago

            It’s pretty hilarious how tankies suddenly start quibbling over definitions once China is mentioned.

            Where’s that definition from?

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              Raphael Lemkin, who first coined the term, defined genocide as “the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group” by means such as “the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culturelanguage, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence”.[2]During the struggle to ratify the Genocide Convention, powerful countries restricted Lemkin’s definition to exclude their own actions from being classified as genocide,[3][4] ultimately limiting it to any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.[5] While there are many scholarly definitions of genocide,[6]almost all international bodies of law officially adjudicate the crime of genocide pursuant to the Genocide Convention.[7]

              From that wiki page, and I appreciate the just barely academically masked sass about why it’s such a narrow definition

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                So is regime change to bring about a liberal democratic government also considered cultural genocide? Like if I’m working against the Saudi monarchy and Wahhabi religious order of laws (which is their long term culture) am I guilty of genocide?

                Was the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan cultural genocide? Is forced rendition or even “nation building” genocide? Guantanamo? Rendition?

                Are Starbucks and McDonalds guilty of genocide for spreading their “franchises” (Temples of a neoliberal globalist culture really) everywhere?

                Is the “culture war” against the institutional racism in the USA a cultural genocide? After all it’s a culture of racism… are the atheists really conducting a cultural genocide with their War on Christmas!? Oh God! Are we the baddies???

                If you’re in Finland, don’t deny any of this! It’s illegal now!

                PS: Sorry this is a late reply, and obviously it’s argued to absurdity.

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          21 days ago

          The difference is that the US did actual genocide against the natives of America