Jon Stewart would be put to death if Trump had his way. To quote Mort Goldman, “Save Jon Stewart, he’s our most important Jew!”
I mean, yeah. He’s literally threatening to kill us all.
Don’t exaggerate. We dont know that he intends to kill us. Maybe the National Guard is only meant to maim or seriously injured us.
And it’s not all either. He’s only going to
killmaim the Democrats. And black people. And brown people. And LGBT people. And women. And non-Christians. So, you know, as long as you’re not in one of those groups, you’ll be totally fine. For now. But maybe don’t get too comfortable.Not women, republicans need them to cook, clean and produce children.
As long as they aren’t too mouthy and don’t get any ideas about autonomy. So, things like driving, having a credit card or a bank account…nah. And birth control or abortion? Don’t make me laugh.
Only the pink-haired ones, the feminists, trans-women, those with terminally complicated pregnancies, the victims of abusive husbands beating them to death, those seeking medical treatment they can’t afford…
So long as you’re healthy or wealthy, submissive and breedable, mindful and demure and all the other misogynistic ideas we make fun of because they shouldn’t be real and serious, you’ll be fine.
Forgot the /s at the end
I didn’t think it was needed. I implied that it was acceptable to maim political rivals, myself included. And I used a quote from Dobby the house elf to do it. Thought the joke was apparent.
You’re right - I must have forgot this was on Lemmy. If we were on FB or something like that then not everyone would get the implied /s - but fediverse users are quite a bit better in this regard.
When we should start to worry? When it’s too late?
Young, I couldn’t comprehend how Hitler was elected, disgraced then could come back and how the people let that happening.
Decades later, i really understand: complacency.
Someone bringing the presidency position just casually say in front of the press that he want to hurt its opponent… In public.
Imagine what he say in private, with all his yes men and psycho writer of project 2025 for example… And we know it’s not an accident, he reference hitler more than once… He is in admiration with dictators… he want to be one of them…
Yeah, please “don’t exaggerate”.
Don’t learn from the history. You’re lucky he is also stupid and old…
My comment was meant to be sarcasm. I have to laugh lest I go insane.
Ho, sorry for my reaction
I see so many people not grasping how serious the situation is (or just saying: he’s jockiiiing) that my blood boil. Also because last summer, I saw my grandmother cry while she was remembering how she lost her sister during the first days of the WWII (killed in her house due to the bombing of the train station nearby). She was 5~6 yo and her sister 10yo. All of that because people didn’t react strongly enough to stop a party and a crazy man.
Good luck for the election
As we all fucking should.
And he’s quite right to point out that the media loves obsessing over the dumb shit (like Palmer’s penis and McDonald’s) and spends far less time running down real shit.
I respect that he points out that stuff too, but… Supply and demand, right?
Supply and demand has no place in serious journalism - that should be the domain of tabloids.
Yeah, it’s the media, not websites like Reddit or Lemmy, that obsess over menial things like “Trump did a campaign thing at a McDonalds!!! This CANNOT stand!!!”
Totally not you guys. It’s always “the other”! It’s never because YOU only engage in meaningless shit. It’s never because YOU give those stories clicks because it makes you feel better about yourself. It’s “the media” that are doing these things!
“you guys”
Lul you’re posting this on Lemmy…
I guess you’re the only person on the Internet that is not whatever you’re accusing everyone else of.
Brilliant observation. Everyone says to “be better,” but forgets that applies to themselves.
This is the story that we need to be focusing on until election day. None of the other stunts matter. If anything this post should be pinned. We should keep our eye on the ball even if the media won’t.
Trump threatened to send the military and the national guard after people on the left and Democratic politicians. This is blatant and open fascism. In any other election Trump being openly fascist would be the October surprise. Everyone needs to see this.
Literally 1933
Signed, a scared-as-fuck German
He’s not even phrasing it as a threat, for him it’s just an “obvious solution” to a problem he made up. He doesn’t even see it as something serious so he doesn’t threaten us with it.
Which makes what he is saying even more scary. Imagine what is he NOT saying and that he thinks would be a threat? Fuck, as someone on the other side of the pond I hoped I could show my support to my fellow Americans but this will fuck us all in the end.
To paraphrase Trump, he said if elected, he will send the military and national guard after his political and ideological opponents.
That’s a threat. It’s phrased as a threat. The fact he’s says it calmly doesn’t matter. This is what fascists do. They identify an out group. They stir up public fear and resentment against the out group. They make promises to their supports, in the form of threats of violence against the out group, to get rid of the out group. Then historically speaking they make good on their threats to the best of their ability once they take power.
When fascists run out of the current out group they just find another way to divide the population and pick a new out group. As long as fascists want to cling to power they need an enemy. What Trump isn’t telling us is the next out group he hasn’t picked yet because he doesn’t plan that far ahead. The Haitian immigrant conspiracy was a spur of the moment thing that other people had previously come up with and told him about on the plane ride to the debate. If he ever needs a new group to fearmonger about he’ll just ask other fascists for ideas. edit: typos
Honest question: Do you think the military would obey his orders?
I know the ICE (immigration and customs enforcement) had no problems in doing so, but the military seems to consist of a more varied bunch of people, more patriotic than racist kind of guys, or is that fiction?
Trump is already planning on replacing everyone in the federal administrative state with loyalists. If the military doesn’t follow his orders he will keep replacing people in the military until they do.
The real question is will the military do anything to stop Trump? Let’s not put ourselves in the position of needing to rally around General Brown in a civil war. Let’s vote for Kamala and call Trump weird.
“Don’t die for your beliefs. Make a fascist die for theirs.” - someone on here
Jon getting serious is kinda scary and rightfully so. He’s worried like the rest of us but likely has a better idea of what’s coming should Trump win. He’s a smart dude.
The thing that really bugs me is that Trump has told everyone exactly what he’s going to do, but no one seems interested.
He’s been very clear that he’s not going to concede, and that he has legal challenges ready to go. The election isn’t going to be won or lost on votes in swing states, but who can provide the most pressure on officials in those setting states.
I have this sinking feeling that he’s going to be declared winner through corruption and manipulation, the dems will say “oh well fiddlesticks”, and the western world will start matching towards fascism.
As in, Kamala is talking about medical records and Trump is planning insurrection.
Just like the investigation into Russian interference, and all Trumps legal stuff. “Yeah well he’s guilty as sin but you know - what are you gonna do”.
“When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”
To be perfectly honest, I’m worried about what the US will do once their political capital weekens more internationally while they sit on the 130 odd military bases abroad in 55 foreign potentially ‘hostile’ (to US interests) territories (if they don’t eat their own first ofc). Public trust has already embraced it’s fundamentally rotten core and rightfully so. The social contract is in shreds between the government and it’s people. Something will crumple and it will be ugly. I don’t think Kamala is much of an answer either, but at least it may buy time for circumstances to change. Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
WIth Americans, yes; but not with these fascist bigots. Americans have to learn to conflict with those, early, visibly, and often.
Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
Honestly, I often think Americans need to learn to live apart from each other these days. I’m very skeptical of the notion that the US can ever function as a coherent political unit again, and it might be better for all to just cut bait and move to an EU-esque free movement regime. Let New England, the South, the Midwest, the West Coast and whatever Alaska and Hawaii want to be each be their own independent countries, but any citizen of one has the right to move to any if the others and work immediately. If Republicans want to enact their own little Handmaid’s Tales in the deep South, they can go for it, but no moaning when women and POC decide to move elsewhere. The non-GOP hellscape regions can implement social safety net programs to allow anyone who wants to leave the conservative regions to do so, regardless of financial means, knowing they will have housing, food and healthcare when they get to a civilized country.
It really feels like some backwards regions are holding the whole country hostage at this point.
Ah yes, the Balkanization strategy. Cause that worked out so well the last time.
Some call it Vulcanization, others call it Deprogramming the Trump Cult victims and rehabilitate them into the decent society, if possible.
What? Do you even know what Balkanization is?
What does the breaking up of a larger nation into multiple independent, hostile territories have to do with changing people’s political ideologies?
So this is what Vulcanization is? Are you weirdly worked up about this topic?
Like all these people were happily Yugoslavs and somebody fueled the** different nationalisms** in them to break them up? How does this** compare even remotely** to the American situation?
In America you have several states that oppress their own people because they stand fundamentally against constitutional democracy, freedom of religion, abolition of slavery, gender equality, climate science, endocrinology, …add here whatever the average christofascist hates in order to feel righteous and murderous.
In that they explicitly want to undo modernity and bring society back to the Dark Ages, they are basically the equivalent of the Islamic State in every aspect, except for the flavor of Abrahamic OS they run on their state apparatus.
So instead of telling normal people (leftists, scientists, muslims, gay, trans, intersex) to tolerate those weird freaks, why don’t you go preach to oppressed Arab populations to find some common ground with ISIS, and GTFO ?
Vulcanization is a chemical process of rubber by treating it with sulfur. You have no clue what you are talking about and it is obvious. You want to call me worked up?
How about you stop getting so worked up trying to be morally righteous, fighting ghosts of your own creation and “GTFO” with your fallacious assumptions misrepresenting my argument. None ever said that we have to tolerate fascists.
Did you just not fucking read the top comment in this thread by shikotohno, that specifically said to rely on BALKANIZATION, the process of a country breaking up into smaller, often hostile, independent units typically due to economic, religious, or geopolitical interests, to solve the political strife within the country, or are you just daft?
The strat isn’t to give up and acquiesce to letting them have their own playground to perpetuate their oppression, just because it isn’t happening in your backyard, at the cost of sacrificing hundreds of thousands of innocent people trapped within the regions. You can’t “Deprogram the Trump Cult victims and rehabilitate them into the decent society” if you give the Trump cult their own independent region.
You’ll still need respect for that to happen, which is what I’m referring to by “living together.” Don’t have to be friends, but you got to compromise somewhere.
you['ve] got to compromise somewhere
Not with intolerance. Defend humanity, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight in the press, we shall fight on the schoolgrounds, we shall fight in the workplace and in the streets, we shall fight in the churches; we shall never surrender.
And if this draws new borders, let them be drawn; and let our taxes NOT support those who do not uphold common areligious decency and uphold universal care as a goal. Let those who support despot idols die of the classic diseases and impairments of the dark ages they aspire to re-create.
Let their ‘south’ rise again in gun deaths, suicides, teen pregnancies, scandals, hate; just do it on their own – and look to buy states into the new american union when they falter, empty, and sue to secede so they can follow their inhabitants in.
Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
Imagine giving this advice to anti-Hitler Germans around 1939 or so.
Don’t worry, we won’t have to learn to live with our fellow Americans that long if we lose. You all will though
Have you ever heard of Hadrian’s Wall ? That happens to all of them eventually.
Hadrian’s Wall marked the boundary between Roman Britannia and unconquered Caledonia to the north.
Oh, the guy that floated ingredient-to-bread ratio being more important than the election?
Get the fuck outta here.
Edit: This was the damn promo for his, then new, The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart podcast. I don’t have a sense of humor about trivializing this shit.
Edit 2: 20241106 after PA called for Trump - This is why.
Bruh
Just reading the article he doesn’t seem to be trivialising, rather the opposite. He more or less says this is something we should be paying attention to.
No kidding. Trump will definitely be coming after him.
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of humor?
We’ll see how funny it is in 13 days.
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i recommend searching:
“jon stewart on crossfire”
“jon stewart on 60 minutes 2004”
Yeah a classic. For additional context, Crossfire was cancelled about a week after that and Tucker Carlson never wore a bowtie again.
