• Dragonstaff@leminal.space
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      25 days ago

      The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.

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        Lmfao you’re black and vote republican? US politics is fucking hilarious, honestly - thanks for the shit show.

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        25 days ago

        The majority of white women always vote Republican

        Not sure when that was true but it is not true now

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          You’re kidding, right? LMAO

          White women are not a swing voting bloc. In the past 18 presidential elections, they have repeatedly voted for the Republican candidate, breaking only for Lyndon B. Johnson and for Bill Clinton’s second term. As political scientist Jane Junn wrote in 2016, “The elephant in the room is white and female, and she has been standing there since 1952.”

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/27/white-women-vote-republican-get-used-it-democrats/

          Downvoting me for being correct gets tiresome. But this is precisely how racist this country is. Even if there has been some small shift towards Dems, ya’ll would be way better off figuring out how to convert your sisters rather than worrying about a tiny number of Black Republicans.

          White Democrats just prefer to blame us, like you always do. ✌🏾

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            25 days ago

            I downvoted you and it’s because blanket statements are ignorant. And your entire point is basically “some equals all!”

            What vile group of loathed people also do this to support their argument?

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            Do you have a source? That’s an opinion without a single source for their claims.

            When I look for sources, they all dispute your claim.

            A study about this topic: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

            Example from the exit polls 2016: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631224/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-gender/

            Here’s a times article disputing your claim:

            https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/

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              None of those articles show white women voting blue. The first link shows them voting for Trump, the second one is for all women so the statistic is irrelevant, and the third article still says more white women voted for trump than Clinton…

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                More white woman voting for trump doesn’t prove that the majority always votes for republicans, which I further disproved down below.

                47% isn’t the majority of woman, and that’s the most extreme example I could find.

                Sure, I could’ve picked a year with better numbers, but that seemed disingenuous, and why would I need to do that if even the spell of trump doesn’t support the claim he made.

                8% didn’t answer and were excluded, why would you automatically assumehalf of them voted for trump?

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              I’m sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you’re conflating “women” with “white women”.

              That conflation is really what I’m talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how “women” are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.

              Edit: But if you’re quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you’re just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.

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              I don’t think you actually read those articles

              According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate

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                I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:

                The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.

                I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case…

                2020 shows a very different picture.

                https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-n1247746

                Edit: A little bonus

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                  Why do you keep lying? I thought it was an accident, but you’ve got your head stuck in the ground.

                  You understand that nonwhite women exist, right?

                  Your article is precisely what I’m talking about: taking great pains NOT to say how the majority of white women voted Republican.

                  While Biden made gains among college-educated, white women voters who supported him in greater numbers than they did Hillary Clinton four years ago, Black women voters carried him over the finish line.

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                    I provided you sources that refute your claim that a white woman MAJORITY ALWAYS votes for Republicans.

                    Now it’s your time to back up your claims before calling me a lier.

                    What is the percentage of black woman that vote, 10% (Edit: it was 6.5% in 2016) in comparison to all voters?

                    Even if they all voted dem it wouldn’t shift my numbers over the edge for your claim of always, actually still far from it.

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                  LOL! Did you even read that link? Good God, man, you should be ashamed of yourself.

                  Meanwhile, white women seem to have maintained or slightly increased their level of support for Trump compared to 2016, with some 55 percent of them voting for Trump this election cycle and 43 percent voting for Biden according to early exit polls.

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                    That’s Support for trump and reflecting on 2 years. Again, can you provide a source for your claim that they always vote in favour of republicans?

                    Just do the math yourself for the historic data. Just a hint, black woman shift the results about 3% towards Democrats, generously calculated. And that’s ignoring the higher voter turn out for white woman.

                    To match your goal post shifting, why do you claim 12% black man vote for trump, when it’s 17% that say they’re going to vote for him?

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            How about we concentrate on both things?

            However, this is one of the only articles I’ve seen on it, I don’t think there’s a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It’s still possible to discuss both things.

            Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything “like always” is beyond disingenuous.

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              You’re right. Left out one piece though. This commenter is actually saying here that Obama is a huge racist too.

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                  I’m not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you’re declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.

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              And of course if you haven’t seen other articles that means they don’t exist.

              One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.

              I don’t suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.

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                OK, are you claiming that there are more articles blaming and calling out black republicans than those calling out white MAGAts?

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                  No, I’m pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one’s exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.

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                    Your experience must be much different than mine. Ive seen way, way more articles/posts/comments focusing on the latter than the former. I don’t know of a source that says how many of either exist, though. But it hasn’t seemed even close.

                    In both cases, they tend to get called out as people who are “largely voting against their own interests”.

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            Yes everything is zero sum. if I dispute you, I’m racist. Great way to have a fucking conversation. What I disputed had nothing to do with your race in any fucking way. Bye.

            FYI I went back and actually downvoted you just because you are intent on being like this instead of just correcting me if I’m wrong.

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              Obviously I’m the problem for pointing out WHY you’re so incorrect. There really is no way to sugarcoat it enough for you to do any sort of introspection. Once you cool down a bit from how mean I am, maybe you should think about why you thought White women voted for Democrats.