Wow, The comments here are an absolute shitshow.
Be as upset as you want with Obama or Biden. But remember, neither of them are on the table for this next election cycle.
Wow, The comments here are an absolute shitshow.
Look at the guy who submitted the article. It was 100% a call to arms for tankies, accelerationists, and other bad actors.
Fortunately their hand-picked successor is on the ballot!
I mean, downvote all you want but they’re right. No one picked Harris except for Joe Biden. The primary was half assed at best, and there was no democratic process to select the Democratic party nominee. You’re insane if you don’t think that Biden’s dementia wouldn’t have surface during an actual primary process. We could have easily avoided this Trump apocalypse if the Democratic establishment let us have a real primary.
They’re not and you’re lying.
The dnc occurred, the reps voted en masse for Kamala.
The reps were nominated by the same process that has happened for over a century. The timeline was different but the process still occurred and you’re lying about it.
The reps that voted for Kamala were nominated in the same fashion as every US election you’ve ever been alive for. It was a televised event where everyone in the party voted and agreed. Stop this bullshit.
Can you help me find kamala on my primary ballot from this year? ( I voted no preference)
Good for you! Pointing out inconsistencies as if they were national truths!
You almost look like you’re pointing out a conspiracy BUT oh I’m so sorry, there is none!
Point to the dnc! Not a png!
Edit: to mention you didn’t vote you just now complained in a way to convince others to not vote. Thats scummy.
Edit: to mention you didn’t vote you just now complained in a way to convince others to not vote. Thats scummy.
What? I voted
Good for you! Pointing out inconsistencies as if they were national truths!
Kamala is Bidens hand-picked successor. How is that untrue?
Simple she was nominated by the DNC. She was not coronated and Biden didn’t step out and say “Kamala” magically creating the bullshit you describe.
Votes were cast by a variety of reps nominated by the same process that has existed throughout your whole lifetime.
What part of that confounds your brain?
Kamala Harris is Joe Biden’s running mate.
Were Biden to have been incapacitated, Kamala Harris would step in for him. We made this choice back in November 2020, and it’ll hold true until January 2025.
Do you expect the Dems to have a contested Primary with less than one month to go until the General? How nice. Everyone will be tearing themselves apart in order to appeal to the various different factions that make up the Democratic Party, weakening each other until the final canidate emerges with a depleted warchest and a whole bunch of bitter people whose favoured candidate DIDN’T win? And assuming Harris, the VP and assumed successor for Biden, doesn’t win this contested primary, has to return the warchest Biden built up?
And Trump will be waiting in the wings, with a building warchest and backers setting up GOTV. Again. Does the far-left WANT Trump to win, because man, that’s what it looks like to me!
Kamala Harris is Joe Biden’s running mate.
Yes I know.
Hand picked successor. Why is everyone so mad that I’m calling it what it is?
Because your phrasing is disingenuous. You imply nefariousness where none exists. He ran thinking he was the best choice, until he flubbed the debate, and … get this…he got the majority of delegates. 14 million people voted for him. And he won the Primary. Are you saying you and your ilk are more important than the 14.5 million people who cast their ballots for him (you couldn’t manage 2 million votes between your three alternatives to Biden…), and the 3.9k delegates he won? That their expressions of preference should be thrown out so you can have a bruising 4 week primary in August while Trump just uses your various attacks against each of the candidates and racks up hundreds of millions of campaign contributions that he doesn’t have to spend until September? And at best, we just use up Biden’s campaign warchest trying to fend your candidates off, and at worst, we have to start over with some relative unknown with a depleted warchest, and no access to the Biden/Harris warchest? And go through the whole rigamarole of qualifying for state ballots so close to election day? Not to mention the extra costs of running a second set of primaries because you couldn’t accept the fact that you lost?
We had a primary. Biden won that primary. There’s no nefarious plan to install Harris. And the only reason that Harris has to run at all is because you lot showed up here and shat all over Biden over and over and over and over and *four hours later * over again. You lot being sore loser hard-leftists, Greenies pissed that they don’t have more of a say in government, paid actors and disinformation peddlers hired by Republicans and Russians to fragment the Left coalition like has happened time and time again (stupid ‘fall in love’ party), and of course those same Russians and Republicans who directly inject BS into our political discussion. And just to be clear, I’m not speculating on which you are, just pointing out that’s what your coalition is, and that’s why we’re here where we are right now.
If you’re so uninformed you didn’t know who Biden’s running mate was when you voted, that’s your own damn fault.
(pssst, the downvotes mean the community largely disagrees with you. If we were discussing anything lighter than politics you could just scoff and disagree and claim someone is correct, but that doesn’t stand up to the scrutiny of the people you share the world with. Sorry to tell you, you’re wrong and your childish political stance and the subsequent tantrum your ilk throws when called out on it isn’t helping you gain comrades or appear to be any less lost in the sauce. Get better.)
It’s the same thing that brought on the first Trump presidency! The DNC tells you who you will vote for and you will like it!!
DNC supporters have Stockholm syndrome!
Man I’d hate to jump to conclusions but that’s a lot of divisive comments from a 24 day old account.
It’s especially dumb because democratic primary votes overwhelmingly chose Clinton. It was never really a race at all, pretty much from start to finish she crushed Sanders. So this idea that the dnc picked her and everyone was forced to vote for her is just hogwash.
I could quibble about Clinton overwhelmingly defeating Sanders, but I really don’t have to. The actual numbers were 55.2% Hillary Clinton, 43.1% Bernie Sanders. Clinton won a straight majority of votes – not a plurality, a majority. And I say this as a Bernie Sanders voter who caucused (not voted in a primary, caucused, as in went to a school and stood in a classroom to be counted) for Bernie Sanders. Sanders came in second place because more Democratic Primary voters picked Clinton than Sanders. It wasn’t stolen. Clinton won that fair and square. Contrary to all the various little voices that crept out of the woodwork, and I say this, again, as a voter who caucused for Sanders, more Americans wanted a moderate candidate than risk a Progressive that could honestly be tarred as a Socialist.
That said, I would have LOVED to see Crony Capitalism vs. Euro-Socialism as an election in the USA. Too bad, it was Fascism vs. Crony Capitalism…
Welcome to Lemmy! How has your first few weeks been?
It’s great! I can speak my mind and vent my frustrations without getting banned by snowflake mods for not sharing the ideas of the hive-mind!
Remember when this guy drank the water at Flint, too bad you can’t drone strike lead pipes
I remember that your comments always focus on criticizing Democrats and Democrats alone.
What do you mean? I just don’t comment on Republicans because threats of violence get removed
Also there was more aggressive pro-democrat posters, so it usually escalates when I do stuff like pointing out that Obama is a warmonger just like every other US politician.
Sounds like you understand that one side is worse than the other. Now act like it.
I don’t think you understand the nature of my critique. Republicans suck ass, and it enrages me that democrats will only pretend to oppose wars when it’s Republicans in power
To stop this citizen’s united, the electoral college, FPtP, and winner takes all need to go. But getting your average American to talk about civics and constitutional law is like teaching a raccoon to type.
And never mind if it’s an election year
It’s okay to criticize Democrats
It is NOT okay to exclusively criticize Democrats and then claim you’re not a Republican. That’s called lying, and lying is bad.
It’s not lying, our two party system means you focus on the one that is closer to you. Why would I waste my breath trying to tell Republicans that bigotry is wrong, when I can instead pressure Democrats to do more about bigotry?
Abuser ideology. “I only attack you because I want to make you better!”
Must not have a very good grasp of your opinions if you can’t talk about the opposition without threats of violence. Or you’re not playing in good faith and just trying to rile up people by pointing out the warmongering nature of the US instead of having a real point.
I talk about Democrats all the time without threats of violence, what are you talking about?
I’d just like to point out that you accidentally admitted that Democrats are your opposition. And that is hilarious.
What do you mean? I just don’t comment on Republicans because threats of violence get removed
Must not have a very good grasp of your opinions if you can’t talk about the opposition without threats of violence.
I talk about Democrats all the time without threats of violence, what are you talking about?
I love it when people accidentally tell on themselves.
Yes, I’m an anarchist, I’m opposed to democrats. You figured it out lmao
An anarchist who can only talk intelligently against Democrats and only speaks in ‘threats of violence’ to republicans, meaning you can’t talk about them and only attack democrats and sees the Democrats as opposition and not republicans.
Seems legit.
Edit: just saw you’re on .ml, so yeah, you’re ‘an anarchist’ and hate democrats, no wonder you can’t speak against republicans LOL.
I also remember when he swam in the Gulf, after the BP disaster.
why wont the black men?
The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.
Because only a fucking moron votes for the party that wants to enslave them.
The majority of white women always vote Republican
Not sure when that was true but it is not true now
And once again, the majority of white women vote Republican.
Since we’re being dickheads and singling out groups to blame, here you go. Almost 31% of black men voted for an open racist.
Which is not even 20 points better than white women, which by the way did not “mostly” vote Trump:
You need to learn to read graphs, bud. Whatever that is, it’s not what you’re claiming it is.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
53% of white women voted for Trump.
21% of Black men.
Pie charts are hard to fuck up. 49% vs 31% at the time I posted that. Even if your numbers were right that removes any moral high ground you would have. Yeah dude newsflash, people are selfish. But apparently people are also extremely self defeating. Proof is that they vote as a minority for the proud racist. I am sure that quite a few of these black men voted for trump because they too are racist against their own kind.
Oh yes you told me so and what a fucking nice thing to do right now. Shall I dig up numbers on black men?
You’re kidding, right? LMAO
White women are not a swing voting bloc. In the past 18 presidential elections, they have repeatedly voted for the Republican candidate, breaking only for Lyndon B. Johnson and for Bill Clinton’s second term. As political scientist Jane Junn wrote in 2016, “The elephant in the room is white and female, and she has been standing there since 1952.”
Downvoting me for being correct gets tiresome. But this is precisely how racist this country is. Even if there has been some small shift towards Dems, ya’ll would be way better off figuring out how to convert your sisters rather than worrying about a tiny number of Black Republicans.
White Democrats just prefer to blame us, like you always do. ✌🏾
Yes everything is zero sum. if I dispute you, I’m racist. Great way to have a fucking conversation. What I disputed had nothing to do with your race in any fucking way. Bye.
FYI I went back and actually downvoted you just because you are intent on being like this instead of just correcting me if I’m wrong.
Obviously I’m the problem for pointing out WHY you’re so incorrect. There really is no way to sugarcoat it enough for you to do any sort of introspection. Once you cool down a bit from how mean I am, maybe you should think about why you thought White women voted for Democrats.
I downvoted you and it’s because blanket statements are ignorant. And your entire point is basically “some equals all!”
What vile group of loathed people also do this to support their argument?
How about we concentrate on both things?
However, this is one of the only articles I’ve seen on it, I don’t think there’s a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It’s still possible to discuss both things.
Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything “like always” is beyond disingenuous.
You’re right. Left out one piece though. This commenter is actually saying here that Obama is a huge racist too.
Nah, don’t twist my words. Obama’s a war criminal, not a racist.
I’m not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you’re declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.
You’re very funny!
And of course if you haven’t seen other articles that means they don’t exist.
One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.
I don’t suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.
OK, are you claiming that there are more articles blaming and calling out black republicans than those calling out white MAGAts?
No, I’m pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one’s exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.
Do you have a source? That’s an opinion without a single source for their claims.
When I look for sources, they all dispute your claim.
A study about this topic: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Example from the exit polls 2016: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631224/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-gender/
Here’s a times article disputing your claim:
I don’t think you actually read those articles
According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate
I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:
The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.
I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case…
2020 shows a very different picture.
https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-n1247746
Edit: A little bonus
LOL! Did you even read that link? Good God, man, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Meanwhile, white women seem to have maintained or slightly increased their level of support for Trump compared to 2016, with some 55 percent of them voting for Trump this election cycle and 43 percent voting for Biden according to early exit polls.
Why do you keep lying? I thought it was an accident, but you’ve got your head stuck in the ground.
You understand that nonwhite women exist, right?
Your article is precisely what I’m talking about: taking great pains NOT to say how the majority of white women voted Republican.
While Biden made gains among college-educated, white women voters who supported him in greater numbers than they did Hillary Clinton four years ago, Black women voters carried him over the finish line.
None of those articles show white women voting blue. The first link shows them voting for Trump, the second one is for all women so the statistic is irrelevant, and the third article still says more white women voted for trump than Clinton…
More white woman voting for trump doesn’t prove that the majority always votes for republicans, which I further disproved down below.
47% isn’t the majority of woman, and that’s the most extreme example I could find.
Sure, I could’ve picked a year with better numbers, but that seemed disingenuous, and why would I need to do that if even the spell of trump doesn’t support the claim he made.
8% didn’t answer and were excluded, why would you automatically assumehalf of them voted for trump?
I’m sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you’re conflating “women” with “white women”.
That conflation is really what I’m talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how “women” are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.
Edit: But if you’re quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you’re just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.
Lmfao you’re black and vote republican? US politics is fucking hilarious, honestly - thanks for the shit show.
Jesus Christ. Read whatever it was one more time, buddy.
First it was “if you don’t vote for me you’re not Black”, which is incredibly racist.
Now, “it’s shut up and vote for the person we tell you to vote for”.
Amazing.
Would they do this with women or would they offer something by way of policy promises?
That’s a shit take on the fact that he was speaking about misogyny and you interpreted it as marching orders and even confused who said what is hilarious here.
Do better.
Dismissing the issue at hand as simply misogyny is outright lazy or incredibly disingenuous. The messaging from the Democratic party towards Black males has been woeful for many years, including (somewhat ironically) during the Obama era - “a rising tide lifts all boats”, orly?
Other groups are offered policy change. Black men are told to “shut up and vote”, or else.
I suggest you follow your own advice and “do better”, your response gives the impression of one without a clue.
shut up and vote.
Or else what? Obama going to drone strike them?
What? There have been significantly more policy and bill proposals from the Democratic party targeting, among others, black men than from the Republican party (at least, in a positive way). This is kind of a wild assertion. Most of the street interviews and the like I’ve seen have basically boiled down to misogyny.
Lazy analysis to dismiss the mild shift to the GOP as ‘misogyny’, during the Obama era the Dems lost some Black male support. Many of the issues that caused such have still not been addressed. The street interviews are not the whole picture. Yours is the view of one who is not Black and does not engage with Black men on any meaningful level. Sadly, this is the norm for most non-Blacks in NA and why it is so easy to fill the gaps of ignorance that ‘others’ have about Black people with absolute nonsense or hateful conjecture. It
Roland Martin, a Democrat discusses the issue re the Dems: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9K-6DaoFZc&t=120s&pp=2AF4kAIB
No one is buying the bullshit you’re selling.
Maybe you should direct your comment to the political party in question.
That will definitely not backfire.
