Has anyone else noticed this, across the fediverse, Lemmy specifically. A lot of new users, but also a lot of first posts that are very inflammatory/rage baity.
Do we have another legit influx of new users? Or do we just have some bad actors trying to stir the pot? Or maybe I’m imagining it.
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I mean, if you want tone policing, reddit is still there.
In my experience, it’s not new. I noticed things were far more hostile than my reddit experience from the moment i got on Lemmy. Maybe it’s because I unsubscribed from all the toxic places on Reddit (i promise they exist) but I browse /all here since it’s too quiet otherwise.
I think it matters community to community - but I don’t disagree with you. Personally, I suggest curating a list of communities that you like and subscribing to them. It’s been much more pleasant having that than the barrage of All.
Yeah, guess I’m just worried about missing out on cool new communities popping up. Almost every post in all is from a different community.
I had a list of 90 active cat picture subreddits. Wish we had even a fraction of that here.
Only abouts Arch Linix users. :)
As a fairly new user to lemmy I have found that the community can be pretty brutal and there are quite a lot of set things that are frowned upon. Windows always gets a lot of abuse, but for me here in the UK the amount of Mac and Linux users is miniscule, for example… yet Windows is frowned upon greatly. Sp whilst not raging, it is deffo anti a fair few things. I know it is to be expected as it is a fairly technical things to use lemmy/piefed/fediverse but it still makes me wince. Like everything these days, the less passionate just don’t post any more so it does bring out some strong responses
I’ve been in the nerdy tech space for decades now and I will never understand how these people expect things like Linux to take charge while they’re also being the most gatekeepy and arrogant people. Sure, I’d love folks to try it out, but I’m not going to demonize them either for not. I also have done tech support and there are the people where I just say “Nope, get a mac” because otherwise I will be the person that they go and demand free support from every week.
There’s passion, but then there’s a line that is too often crossed that goes into ego and selfishness, and I think Lemmy just breeds that.
It’s not only about many people here being technical, of course you’re right that it plays a big part, and it’s also that the Fediverse is a rejection of for-profit, closed social media, so there’s a HUGE crossover between its users and the FOSS community (including Linux users) who really take strong issue to many things about Windows (and Mac) that Windows users consider to be normal. And with Lemmy especially, the initial userbase was largely anti-capitalists, since Reddit was banning many of their subreddits and was exploiting their users for profit with ads, blocking third-party apps, and bending to the demands of media companies and their owners. So plenty of people here are political about software.
I totally understand, but it is also why many people I know come, have a look around and are swiftly gone… I was trying (badly) to be pretty generic in my point, you said it a lot better than I could think of at the time
I’ve noticed more debatelords (only in large communities, like c/technology), not sure they will stay if we don’t feed them and the more debatelordy instances just simply ban them.
Definitely. Most of the time communities are friendly and supportive - but I’ve noticed too that there are users who seem deliberately scratchy and saying things that are looking to provoke and who become fizzy if they’re challenged in any way about something they’ve said. I wondered if it’s much younger users who are coming from other places having picked up the “fight me” attititude there.
I think that’s why it becomes so noticeable - it’s usually so calm and chill that when someone comes in to stir the pot it’s so obvious
That’s one of the benefits of having a forum small enough to have a community. Troublemakers stick out like a sore thumb.
If you keep out of Political Communities then you may not see them.
This has been in the Ask communities unfortunately
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We try to keep an eye about those posts on [email protected]
Thank you! After Admiral Patrick left I felt like there was a void here, introducing Captain Swift!
Yeah but the toxicity is still negligible, but I do get your point.
Intentionally inflammatory posts? I haven’t noticed an uptick, honestly. Doesn’t mean there isn’t one and doesn’t mean I won’t notice now that you posted it.
But I will say that I’ve basically stopped checking my notifications because all of a sudden it seems like almost every time I go in there, I’ve got at least one insufferable, hostile, negative, etc response or message in there. It didn’t used to be that way.
Mostly I assume we must’ve recently gotten an influx of new users from Reddit or someplace similarly toxic. Things usually get a bit unfortunate for a time when that happens.
But I will say that I’ve basically stopped checking my notifications because all of a sudden it seems like almost every time I go in there, I’ve got at least one insufferable, hostile, negative, etc response or message in there. It didn’t used to be that way.
I still check mine, but occasionally I’ll know I’ve said something that will have a hostile reply. Usually when I’ve asked someone to stop being hostile and inflammatory :)))
Look up Eternal September on Wikipedia.
I haven’t, but then again I don’t subscribe to News or Politics communities.
The way to go
I don’t think it’s an uptick, it’s been around for as long as I’ve used the Fediverse.
I’ve never understood the mindset that this social site is made up of a different mix of personalities than any other. It’s not. There’s very nice people here and there’s very mean people here. Often, the very nice are quiet so you won’t always notice them but the meanest are usually very outspoken and everyone comes across something left by them. Hatred, ignorance and toxicity is not something that’s left at the door of the fediverse.
I’ve never understood the mindset that this social site is made up of a different mix of personalities than any other. It’s not.
On the other hand, this is often the case in small communities. Most Lemmy instances are general-purpose or large enough to have a typical mix, but I have been to a few sites which will moderate away any hostility whatsoever, and that does make the site unusable for some personalities. These kind of sites have rules like “No politics. No insults. No drama.” Toxicity isn’t inevitable, there’s nothing forcing community staff to tolerate mean people or mean outbursts, but it does take a mixture of design decisions and careful micromanagement which most communities, and especially most large sites, don’t bother with.
edit: and on the flipside, there are also communities where toxicity is expected and it’s amazing to see someone acting nice there, it might even be done as a trolling method.
We ought to moderate well and do better than elsewhere though. Well, at least I would hope that users would gravitate towards instances that moderate their users better, so we get more civil behavior.
Leaving the 3 biggest news comms has been one of the best things I’ve done recently.
comms
Communications?
Communities
Cormorants?
Any influx of new users that appear to be valid human meat popsicles should be the new normal. Would you like to create a downloadable zip file of a codebase that demonstrates this?
Yes have noticed more rage bait. Also more and more culture wars in comments. Still not anywhere near as bad as reddit.
Seems like the average user on here is smart enough not to get caught up in that bullshit thankfully. It’s a lot nicer than the pathetic chess match on reddit where everyone seems to take the rage bait like a carrot on a string
Seems like the average user on here is smart enough not to get caught up in that bullshit thankfully.
I wonder if it’s still early enough to give people taps on the shoulder - “don’t feed the trolls, friend”.
I don’t think it would hurt for real, it might snap someone out of it cos I would love lemmy not devolving into reddit
Or do we just have some bad actors trying to stir the pot?
Yes.
People are hostile idiots sometimes, also, so that doesn’t help. But yes, people are definitely trying to stir up deliberate ballache for whatever weird reasons of their own.
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It does seem a bit more than usual. Thank fuck it’s so easy to block people and communities on here
