cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35684522
Despite his support for Trump, Ragland has become increasingly vocal about the need for immediate trade resolution. “We desperately need to get something rectified quickly with China, our biggest export customer,” he told CNN. “We wanna encourage the administration to get a proactive trade deal done.”
I can’t wrap my head around how some of them can be so hateful and intolerant when they are the true soy boys.
Projection. Always, every single damn time, it’s projection.
the only version of reality they know is on fox news, newsmax, the joe rogan experience, and am radio.
this war has been coming. they’ve even known its coming. but they understand it to be solely at the feet of the chinese state manipulating the markets. they think, because it’s the only perspective they’ve ever been exposed to, 47 to be a big strong power daddy standing up to those bullies.
it has never occurred to them that the great imperial powers, russia, china, the anglosphere, are engaged in a centuries long stalemate. one that benefits no one but the people at the top. their big power daddy is not their savior, but their antichrist. their pharaoh, caesar, king, and overseer. he hates them and will make them suffer.
and i hate everyone in this thread thinking laughing at them is the play here. they turn to their churches because their churches promise to help them and accept them. i’m sick of this performative leftist bullshit. things don’t get better by shaming the morons, they get better by feeding them and showing them another way. through galvanizing them against all our opressors. yeah, some are so twisted with hate you can never help them, but by not even trying to bring them to our way of seeing things you’re repeating all of the same mistakes that created a malicious and uninformed public in germany that cranked out adolf eichmanns.
don’t be like israelis blaming this genocide on an evil race of tormentors. be like hannah arendt blaming it on a system of manipulation of what right and wrong even is
Which just doubles down on the stupid. There is a differnce between ignorance and deliberate ignorance. There is no excuse for deliberate ignorance in the developed world. They can read Al Jazeera (picks random other news source) easily for example.
Also seems odd to invoke Ardent, her being a refugee immigrant .
i know it doubles down on the stupid. it’s why we have to resist that march to darkness with everything we have. people are simple creatures. they go where they feel their needs are met. it’s why the unions of the early 1900s set up soup kitchens and the salvation army fought street battles to shut those soup kitchens down. i’m not asking that people not see these morons as ignorant, i’m asking people to realize this leftist echo chamber behavior makes them less effective propagandists when they go out and hit the streets.
do you know what i’ve noticed in my time protesting of late? there has been an increase in tankies showing up places advocating for authoritarianism, but not their authoritarianism, our authoritarianism, as if authoritarianism can ever lead to anything good. and the ignorant masses see that and think it’s who the left is and they turn away from us even though the the vast majority of leftists are advocating against the authority of monetary and military might, and want that authority distributed to the masses.
i’m just asking people here to think about how to make effective propaganda that doesn’t just preach to the choir, but entices new people that we have something different to offer than the things they’re escaping. there’s a theology of food and liquor. the idea is that god made food, and the devil made liquor. on the face of it, god seems like our ally for this and the devil our enemy. but god uses the food to control us through his authority, and the devil helps us survive until tomorrow by soothing the pain of our subjugation. the most dangerous food is the low quality stuff the authority makes readily available that’s low in nutritional quality. the most dangerous liquor is the church. if you want to help people remove themselves from the bondage of this society you have to perform some acts of self sacrifice and share some of your food with them as keep them away from the dangerous liquors like the church, opioids, and booze.
how do we keep people from the dangerous liquors? by understanding why they turn to them. they are in pain. they need hope. hope is the safest liquor, and after the devil realized that god was a slave driver, it’s the liquor he focused on giving the people, but the damage done by his original liquors is hard to combat. in order to give people hope, you have to speak in terms they understand, you need a unifying strategy that they care about. right now, that’s the epstein files. a lot of the left and the right working class people think there’s a conspiracy of the elite to participate in a vast sex trafficking network. that’s why we’ve been so focused on not letting any distraction work.
as for why i cited hannah arendt: i don’t think her being an immigrant detracts from my point. i don’t think immigrants are intrinsically different from us, nor do i think any nationstate is intrinsically different from another. it was nazi germany in the 1930s, it’s the united states today. if we don’t educate the children and show them how to build a better world it will be whatever new power emerges 20 years from now after another 60 years. hannah arendt’s insights that all of these horrible things happen over and over again with a great deal of consistency and the only cure is patient education are extremely valuable. yes, we lack the time to do patient education if everyone is to survive. a degree of wielding violence in the name of community defense is necessary. but treating the pain of the ignorant will not help you. denouncing the people who cause this pain will.
remember, the greatest illusion of all is the illusion of separation. authorities of every kind have used this illusion to prevent solidarity amongst the working classes since the beginning of written history. our path to liberation from this scheme involves realizing the propaganda works, and that if we want to help people escape the propaganda that’s programmed them, we have to produce propaganda for them that will deprogram them. to do this we can’t go to our echo chambers and yuk it up at their expense. our disdain for them that we foment in our echo chambers will leak out and ruin the whole thing.
and no, i’m not asking you to accept transphobes like someone else said. i’m asking you to stop accepting the things you cannot change and work more to change the things you cannot accept. almost everyone here had to go on a journey to get to the position they now are in. think back on the person you were before you saw the world for what it is. what changed you? for me, it was people in my life telling me i wasn’t seeing the whole picture. it took time, but eventually i got it. that there is any leftist thought that exists in our sea of right wing propaganda indicates that people’s minds can be changed and improved upon. but you have to be considered about how you do it. don’t play the right’s us vs them game. they want you to play it. that’s their entire goal: make us seem unreasonable to the people in their thrall.
Laughing at them is the only play. They will not listen to us no matter what. They deserve this, and while it sucks for the rest of us too, we might as well enjoy their suffering since they puposfully did this to us. The US is on a path to crash and burn, and the faster it does so, the sooner we can maybe start building something good again.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16301276
How do you square these two things?
Please explain
In the above post you state it’s OK to laugh because the farmers purposefully elected Trump, leading to a (predictable) trade war and suffering.
In the linked post you explain that Palestinians in Gaza mostly support the attacks on Israel.
Should the starvation and attacks the Palestinians suffer then be ridiculed because “they deserve it”?
Fair point. In this case, the adults who voted for Trump may go bankrupt, but they nor their families will starve, ironically because of the social programs they are also likely opposed to. In Gaza, even the adults have less access to education that might give them a chance of critical thinking, and the children are dying. That’s not funny in any way. So I suppose it’s a matter of degrees, but it’s such a different degree that it’s hard for me to see it as similar.
Web activism does nothing and if people here aren’t laughing at them the algorithms will still find the one guy who is and present that person to right wingers.
Whatever you think you’re accomplishing by advocating self censorship, you are naively assuming the right wing media won’t fabricate these narratives whole cloth.
The “school kitty litter” stuff peddled by Rogan is a perfect example of “however nice you are to the right, they will be shown whatever upsets them the most (even if its completely fake) and you will be blamed for it.”
You’re performing a song and dance for people who aren’t in this thread. If the goal was to join them at being laughing stocks, you succeeded.
I have no intention to accept people that refuses to accept me.
That they go low we go high attitude does not work.
I say let them reap what they sow.
There’s a vast difference between mocking people in an echo chamber and doing it directly to their faces. You’re right that mocking someone never changed their mind, but as far as I’ve read the only thing that moves the needle, especially for people in a cult, is a close personal connection helping them. Internet comments are never going to change anything, so I say mock the poor dumbasses voting to shoot themselves in the foot (at best), or unempathetic racist shitheads (more likely), because it makes my day a little better at least.