• thefluffiest@feddit.nl
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    3 days ago

    Hitler based his treatment of German Jews as lesser people in the ‘30s on the way the US treated its black population. That’s why he thought he’d get away with it. After all, the Americans got away with it.

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      3 days ago

      Did they though? 1860s was slavery, and there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history. With the end result being that slavery ended.

      Now, you can say racism didn’t end after that, and you’d be right. Racism never ended to this day. But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.

      So, if the extermination camps are farther down the line than slavery, and America DID NOT get away with slavery, then your logic does not hold up.

      I’m not defending any of what happened. I’m just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy, then he couldn’t possibly use it as justification with what he did.

      A far better line of logic is saying he used Americas killing of Native Americans as the blueprint for his camps. Which he absolutely did, and which America absolutely did get away with. Still to this day Native American population numbers just might be the lowest of all the races, simply because of how very very close to total extermination they came 200 years ago.

      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history

        That the slave states started in order to force other states to allow slavery. And only the bloodiest American war on American soil. The US military has killed a lot more people in subsequent wars.

        With the end result being that slavery ended.

        Only chattel slavery. While unquestionably less horrible, penal slavery was explicitly allowed by the 13th amendment and is practiced to this day.

        There’s significantly more people legally enslaved in the US today than there was before chattel slavery was abolished.

        Now, you can say racism didn’t end after that

        If you want to go for the understatement of the year award, yes, you could do that.

        But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.

        As I explained above, slavery is still a thriving industry, more so now than ever.

        As for extermination camps, it’s just a matter of time now that the fascists have taken over and started building the first concentration camps.

        America DID NOT get away with slavery

        America IS getting away with slavery.

        your logic does not hold up

        clears throat

        I’m just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy

        He didn’t. The Jim Crow laws that inspired him were EXTREMELY successful at oppressing and marginalizing black people and continued to be so until long after Hitler’s defeat and death.

        • SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de
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          12 hours ago

          Good writeup. An additional thing I would like to add are the “well regulated militias” whose initial purpose was to act as thugs for big plantation owners (the untouchable billionaires of yesteryear), and their continued authoritarian white supremacist heritage…

      • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 days ago

        By most accounts, Hitler wasn’t planning the extermination of the Jews in the '30s though. Everything that occurred to them in that era, happened to Black Americans in the South during the same timeframe.

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        3 days ago

        The war was more between two giant economic interests, not an indological one. If it was they would deal with the losing side, not kept their statues in official federal buildings, etc.

        And natives didn’t prosper that much after the civil war.

        So yes, USA got away with it, generational wealth remained mostly intact, only southern enterprises lost some of their revenue (bcs paychecks or no labour).

        A future civil war could be between two billionaires, like it was between kings.