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geez, the way people talk about the US you’d think they did genocide, chattel slavery, concentration camps, apartheid, lynchings and mass incarceration of certain groups of people. fortunately the country was always harmonious until this one guy got elected despite everyone being not bigoted at all. twice. just a little glitch in the matrix.
Yea, I don’t like the view point that so many people seem to hold that Trump and just fascism in general popped up out of nowhere. Like a lot of this was been a long time in the making and Trump is just one of the ways it’s come out.
If we just go back to when all the cars were lead fueled boats and one hard working man* could support a whole household by working a fairly paid job…then it’ll all be great again
*terms conditional upon skin color and ethnicity of surname of said man. Anyone black queer or other need not apply
GREAT!
But that was all okay because the guy had committed some crime.
At least that was the narrative I recall.from back in that day. Was fox News a thing already? I think so, because it was all “Everyone is poor Rodney, but they completely forget he was a criminal!!!”
So what? Maybe he was, and that excuses that police Beat the stuffing out of him?
At least that was the narrative I recall.from back in that day. Was fox News a thing already?
The heavy right-wing stuff was cordoned off in AM Talk radio. Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, and Michael Medved being some of the more popular shows. But I believe both future VP Mike Pence and Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick got in on the act in their early years.
So what? Maybe he was, and that excuses that police Beat the stuffing out of him?
The systematic beating was both the cause of and result of Rodney King’s police chase. King feared the wrath of the LAPD/LASD and the police believed repeatedly beating suspects would make them less likely to complicate arrests by fleeing in the future.
Sort of a vicious cycle of violence used to justify the next round of violence.
Oh yeah, “criminal” is conservative dehumanization 101 and has been for a long time. That and the whole race/class thing. Combine the two and the horrors you will overlook are endless!
I remember watching the LA Riots on TV when I was a kid and my guardians saying awful racist shit about the participants. It confused me because I had friends in neighborhood who weren’t white and they never said no when I asked to have them over or to hang out with them.
Fuck the LAPD.
Y’all tried to genocide my people, you’ve always been monsters
There is basically no way to determine your nationality from this comment and I hate that.
I hate being defined by the country I was born in
I have a list of white supremacist cops in California I’m working on. There’s a LOT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
At least 18 separate gangs in the sheriffs alone. Just list the ones who aren’t and you’ll be done wayyyy faster
“I have a treasure i’m sitting on” – mind sharing the gold
Sure but I’d have to do it via email. DM me…
Don’t forget all the online comments (after more recent stuff like Floyd) about how “he was probably a drug addict or a criminal and that he deserved it for resisting the cops”
People said that in the open.They never liked the follow up which was how was that relevant to his murder when his arrest was for a fake $20.
For those who Don’t know the story, his name was Rodney King.
I remember Rush Limbaugh saying, in his book, that the video played on the news was looped…
Even if that was true (I don’t know if it is), the cops were still hitting a guy who was already on the ground, with batons…
It would have been swept under the rug if someone hadn’t videotaped it.
A guy who was cuffed and on the ground as I recall.
I grew up with a (very racist) dad who claimed the video cut out “the part where Rodney was attacking the officers and they couldn’t get him under control”.
I also remember upon seeing American History X where the main guy in a flashback repeated the same lie my dad did damn near verbatim.
America has always been racist and the racists have always used the same unoriginal playbook time and time again.
I’ve always wondered about the Venn Diagram between Racists, Fascists and Narcissists. …
Because everything they do is summed up perfectly in the poem
"the narcissist's prayer"
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did
You deserved it.
I forget that I’m old where I watched it on TV as a kid and then got grown ass adults tell me, a literal kid, how this is fair treatment if you misbehave.
…I’m not sure if I’m that old, or if you think America is that dumb. I never thought the name “Rodney King” would need to be explained.
Everyone has to learn it the first time at some point.
Sir/Ma’am, this is a
Wendy’sinternational network.Aussie here, definitely knew it was referring to King.
We all get front row seats to US insanity
I really like Saer as a gender neutral honorific, it’s used in Baldur’s Gate :)
One of my favorite authors simply distilled it down to M.
Mr? Mrs? Miss? Ms?
M. Makes it super simple.
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I use Mi’they/them.
It is not dumb to not know something you haven’t been exposed to.
Yeah you’re that old. I’m that old too. Rodney King is a forever unforgettable name, and I’m just some white guy in what’s basically the midwest.
But for the name to have such an impact on somebody, they need to have lived through that cultural moment.
This is pretty early 90s we’re talking about here. Without a doubt there are GRANDPARENTS alive in this country right now who are mainstream media consuming normies and they do not remember Rodney King.
There are non-americans on here, you know
Honestly having grown up in the 80s I feel that racism is tolerated a lot less today. Most places will fire openly racist people now, but I worked with guys in the 90s who would have flat out racist conversations in the break room and the only black guy there couldn’t say shit or he would get fired, after all they did tell him “you’re one of the good ones” so why would he be mad?
I worked with guys in the 90s who would have flat out racist conversations in the break room
I work with people today who have flat out racist conversations in the break room – and I’m a fucking school bus driver in a fucking very liberal school district (Harris signs outnumbered trump signs by about 30:1 last year). They just use the word “native” instead of a worse n-word, although I had one coworker who used the worse n-word repeatedly. Another guy uses the g-word whenever somebody mentions that they like Chinese food. I enjoy watching his head melt when I say I’m going to get Korean or Ethiopian food. I almost got him to try Liberian food until he found out where Liberia is lol.
On the plus side, these are all older people in their 60s or 70s. The kids themselves are far more egalitarian. I also grew up in the '80s and although us kids were not really overtly racist, you still had kids segregating themselves racially as far as social groupings were concerned. Today I see lots of groups of mixed kids.
Wait, what’s the “g word”?
As the Discworld Librarian would say, “ook”.
And NEVER call him a monkey!
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Ohh, I’d forgotten that one. I thought that was consigned to the dustbin of history.
Likely this anti-Asian slur.
Yeah I had completely forgotten that one. I’ve only ever seen it in old books.
There’s actually a film with that title that I’ve been meaning to watch but I haven’t yet.
Yeah, that’s the one. Since it’s always in the context of Asian food, he also goes off about them eating dogs.
oh yeah, that’s still a big part of it. people will very frequently say they’re not racist but then start stereotyping Chinese food as being cats and dogs and I’m just sitting there like “uhh, that’s racist bullshit, let’s fuckin not”
Jesus dude, I live in a smallish Southern town and I can’t remember the last time I heard a slur in public or private.
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I’d generally agree, but say that for folks who still feel a need to get their racism bone exercised they still do. racism is a lot quieter now. on an uptick, but still orders of magnitude better than the 80s and 90s, which had to have been orders of magnitude better than the 60s and 70s which I didn’t experience. But there weren’t folks getting hosed down by the fire department just for the gall of attending integrated schools in my decades growing up. We had apartheid bullshit.
Honestly having grown up in the 80s I feel that racism is tolerated a lot less today.
I don’t know about that. I think we were only starting to make progress, and the push back from the racists is a big part of where Trump came from.
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The fuck? They were definitely doing it out loud. They used pictures of lynchings for postcards and Birth of a Nation was played on the white house lawn
It was not hidden, my friend.
Bud did you see the shit they pulled during Obama’s presidency
White people just lost our minds when he got elected. I remember riding by one of their protests near my workplace back then, and a bunch of them just had straight up effigies or signs of Obama being lynched.
conservatives specifically, i once followed some asian tubers, before they went full magat. they were already showing signs of disdain towards OBAMA and biden being elected, everyone in the(fans) knew they. they usually just drop the issue, but covid BROKE thier minds(couldnt deal the stress with another female employee in thier ranks), and they were quick to come to TRUMPs defense when he won, and when got shot at.(older milleneals asians can be notoriously conservative like thier immigrant parents that came to the USA.(especially if they had religious household/or dysfunctional).
its not just white people, but POC thinking they can be white by being conservatives.
White people shoot the historical marker memorializing Emmett Till.
You didn’t think it was overt before? How old are you?
Wow. Read a god damn book. How could anyone ask the question, and not immediately slap themselves in the forehead? Slavery? Jim Crow? MLK? Rosa Parks? You’ve heard of none of these?
This must be what Christian right home schooling produces.
Or just public school in the south.
I’m from Texas and work in public education. Can someone read your comment to me so I can decide if I should be offended?
He said DOWN YONDER YA AIN’T GETTIN A LICK SENSE OUTTA DEM DERE SCHOOLIN BOOKS
DAGNABBIT! NOW I’M ANGRY!
Jesus book says no
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Redlining.
Hitler based his treatment of German Jews as lesser people in the ‘30s on the way the US treated its black population. That’s why he thought he’d get away with it. After all, the Americans got away with it.
Did they though? 1860s was slavery, and there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history. With the end result being that slavery ended.
Now, you can say racism didn’t end after that, and you’d be right. Racism never ended to this day. But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.
So, if the extermination camps are farther down the line than slavery, and America DID NOT get away with slavery, then your logic does not hold up.
I’m not defending any of what happened. I’m just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy, then he couldn’t possibly use it as justification with what he did.
A far better line of logic is saying he used Americas killing of Native Americans as the blueprint for his camps. Which he absolutely did, and which America absolutely did get away with. Still to this day Native American population numbers just might be the lowest of all the races, simply because of how very very close to total extermination they came 200 years ago.
there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history
That the slave states started in order to force other states to allow slavery. And only the bloodiest American war on American soil. The US military has killed a lot more people in subsequent wars.
With the end result being that slavery ended.
Only chattel slavery. While unquestionably less horrible, penal slavery was explicitly allowed by the 13th amendment and is practiced to this day.
There’s significantly more people legally enslaved in the US today than there was before chattel slavery was abolished.
Now, you can say racism didn’t end after that
If you want to go for the understatement of the year award, yes, you could do that.
But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.
As I explained above, slavery is still a thriving industry, more so now than ever.
As for extermination camps, it’s just a matter of time now that the fascists have taken over and started building the first concentration camps.
America DID NOT get away with slavery
America IS getting away with slavery.
your logic does not hold up
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I’m just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy
He didn’t. The Jim Crow laws that inspired him were EXTREMELY successful at oppressing and marginalizing black people and continued to be so until long after Hitler’s defeat and death.
Good writeup. An additional thing I would like to add are the “well regulated militias” whose initial purpose was to act as thugs for big plantation owners (the untouchable billionaires of yesteryear), and their continued authoritarian white supremacist heritage…
By most accounts, Hitler wasn’t planning the extermination of the Jews in the '30s though. Everything that occurred to them in that era, happened to Black Americans in the South during the same timeframe.
The war was more between two giant economic interests, not an indological one. If it was they would deal with the losing side, not kept their statues in official federal buildings, etc.
And natives didn’t prosper that much after the civil war.
So yes, USA got away with it, generational wealth remained mostly intact, only southern enterprises lost some of their revenue (bcs paychecks or no labour).
A future civil war could be between two billionaires, like it was between kings.
I’m an old millennial, I’m 40. My mom went to a segregated school. When my mom was a kid, black people were considered so vile they couldn’t be in the same room or drink from the same fountain. America has been this hateful for a long time.
This is to say, we are not even ONE generation removed from US apartheid, the boomers GREW UP being “racially superior” to black and brown people, NO WONDER they’ve voted the way they have. They want the USA of their childhood back!
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America was founded because some “philosopher” slaver farmers got pissy when the King refused to overrule the elected Parliament and allow them to genocide the natives for their land. This they called “tyranny”. They haven’t learned any better in the ensuing centuries.
i mean my area of study was elsewhere, but i focused the financial back and forth between the crown and the colonies back in college (so you know, undergrad level of understanding 20 years ago) and taxation seems to be more than just a slogan (“taxation without representation”). it was kind of the straw that broke the camel’s back where the locus of control of their supposedly democratic form of government was removed from them, and they were still expected to bear (what the colonies somewhat unreasonably, somewhat reasonably felt were) undue burdens necessary to maintain an (ceaselessly warring and expanding) empire.
The colonials paid 10% of the tax paid by those in England. Tax was massively overhyped by the rabble-rousers. When else in history has anyone protested against a 90% tax discount?
i’m too tired to remember what the actual tax rate paid by the colonists was, but take a minute to read the acts that were passed and see some of the shit that was passed along with the tax rates. there’s a constant erosion of rights over a decade. they just happened to coincide with the tax acts. specifically… i think it was the townshend acts?
