If those fools (the current batch of demos) ever regain power i do not EVER want to hear the word partisan again. I want NOTHING to ever go the republikkkans’ way ever again. They’ve proven who they are. Fucking Nazis.
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Under the Biden administration the Democrats had exactly 50 votes of 100 in the Senate if you factored in some very conservative Democrats who held everything up. If you don’t want compromise you do need to vote in enough Dems to avoid Joe Manchin being able to hold everything up.
Y’all need to stop voting in paralyzed governments and then complaining they compromise and don’t do anything.
Edit: This was not a fillibuster issue as they were always struggling to get 51 votes. And no, primarying Manchin was not the solution as the replacement would have just lost to a Republican who would have voted for Mitch McConnell as senate majority leader. Holding the Senate in a useful manner requires some margin.
You guys need a multiparty system.
And you need to weaken your federal government.
And you need to stop worshipping a bunch of 18th century slave owners.
Basically, the American political system is ridiculous.
Reforming it requires either violence or consensus, that’s why we’re stuck here
We need ranked choice voting and compulsory voting. The people who could add their votes and make a difference don’t vote because “one vote doesn’t make a difference”. We make voting compulsory and you’re gonna see a lot of people that can’t afford the fine for not voting turn out
Before mandatory voting, first the day of elections needs to be a mandatory day off, with large fines to anything but the most absolute essential emergency services running.
Run the elections over two or three days, and require absolutely everyone to be given at least two of them off, no exceptions.
We need a war and a new constitution. Hate to say it, but the countries that the Allies bombed to shit in WW2 and had multinational efforts to rebuild and restructure legally have fared better modifying their guiding documents than the US. We’re hamstrung by poorly defined ideals and the interpretations of some rights while others are written in stone by ideologues.
Get a progressive to win a primary and Democrats are working with Republicans to defeat them.
Yeah… that’s how democracy works. You vote for a party to do what you want and it’s going to take a lot longer than you’d like. You don’t vote for a party that’ll do what you want and things get worse for you.
It’s sad how Americans on both the left and the right are against democracy now. The American people have failed democracy and are incapable of admitting it.
When republicans win, they get their wildest fantasies. When dems win, we get nothing done because one rust belt jackass refuses to vote in line
How long do people need to wait though? It’s been bummer comprise candidate after bummer compromise candidate for 50+ years while peoples lives are getting worse.
Rent is up, medical care is up, food is up, transportation is up, housing is up, yet wages are stagnant.
50% of all economic activity is driven by the top 10%, the working class is being entirely cut out of the economy as a consideration.
Sure the democrats are better than republicans, but that doesn’t help people afford rent or go to the doctor, so wtf are people really voting for? The chance that in 20 years after a lot of compromise things might be slightly better maybe?
The problem is that the people who can’t afford rent and don’t vote? They HAVE given up on democracy, but most of us haven’t. So it looks like the whole country has but we havent.
If democracy continuously fails to improve their lives why wouldn’t the give up on it?
Democracy is failing worldwide. There was a problem when people gave power to the people so they could govern the people, all because the people are retarded.
Democracy fucking sucks. But holy shit is authoritarianism so much worse
Time to go back to imperial times.
THE TRUTH is there so much voter suppression and rigging voting machines going on many places dont get much representation. aside from gerrymandering. this discourages voters, and thats what gop wants.
When was the last time the Democrats held 50+ percent in both houses to pass legislation without needing to cooperate? Believe it was Obama for 2 months in 2009. So all complaining about this for the last decade has been moot.
60% for Obama, which is what was needed to overcome the filibuster, an utterly broken part of Senate procedure.
We had 50+VP for the first two Biden years, but that gave us no room to negotiate with our own party - or ‘our own’ party, considering that two of the most troublesome fuckwits later became independents when they decided they’d done all the damage they could inside the party. Add to Biden himself being not much more than a milquetoast moderate twat, and you have a recipe for very little getting done.
Not nothing. But not nearly what needed to be done, realistically speaking.
The filibuster is why the government shut down instead of cutting even more social safety net. Until the magat movement completely dies, it is a necessary tool for situations like right now. We need a way to stop the stupid majority as a minority
Why is that 60+ not a requirement for Republicans to pass the legislation and ratify nominations that they want? The Republicans haven’t met that threshold since the 67th Congress back in 1921.
The 119th, 115th, 108th and 109th congresses which were all Republican trifectas didn’t meet that criteria and the “tea party” and “establishment” flavors certainly aren’t any more of a unified front than the democratic party.
The current legislation they are trying to pass in the Senate is an example. Part of the reason we are in a shutdown, from a legal standpoint, is because Republicans do not have the votes to bypass the filibuster.
As for why nominations don’t require the 60%+ threshold? Because it was something previously agreed between both parties. There are very few things that you can actually Filibuster. You may have heard of budget resolutions as an alternative to getting things passed, it’s for if they want specific economic legislation passed that can’t be filibustered.
Either party could in-theory get rid of the Filibuster, but that is a can of worms neither party wants to go for as a short-term win. The Filibuster is what prevents the worst legislation from even seeing the light of day.
The only reason I could see Dems getting rid of the Filibuster would be if they wanted to uncap the House, but that in itself would require a Dem trifecta and over 50 members in the Senate willing to approve uncapping the House.
Because Republicans don’t infight anywhere near as much a Democrats.
I’m pretty convinced that trump has gotten as far as he has because the Democrats parts is like 50/50 corporate shills on Trump’s payroll and ideologues.
Of course we never get anything done. Half the party is hellbent on selling out their constituents and the other on performative “moral victories.”
Because Republicans don’t infight anywhere near as much a Democrats.
Oh, they do. But it is significantly less theatrical.
Half the party is hellbent on selling out their constituents and the other on performative “moral victories.”
Beautifully said, and that’s what I wanted to draw attention to.
Oh, they do. But it is significantly less theatrical.
Then they are the stupidest political party in the history of democracy as a concept. We’re Americans, if it’s not in the media it doesn’t exist.
Even if we ever get that again, people will be sorely disappointed because legislation will be too busy fixing damages from the previous administration to make much actual progress. Which will be forgotten by the next election (same as it ever was).
In 2048 Reagan’s ghost will still haunt the country, plus Trump’s ghost too.
Just make one omnibus that does it all. We wouldnt need to spend time fixing if we were willing to be as roughshod with power as Republicans are. That trifecta won’t survive midterms anyway might as well go crazy with it
We had exactly 60 seats for all of like two effective weeks in 2009, due to various issues. And not only that, a good portion of the dems in that coalition were blue dogs - senators from IA, ND, IN, and MO.
People acting like we’ve had 30+ Bernies in the caucus are weird.
We’re poopooing Obama having the largest majority since reconstruction? Come the fuck on. What have the Republicans been doing with way less “power”? Democrats are useless.
It seems like that’s exactly the point, progressive democrats are very few and not even that progressive except for a few outliers.
I agree, that’s why we need to replace around 70% of them, maybe 80%
Sounds better to start a whole new party instead of fight the entrenched majority.
Spoiler effect means magats would just win by default if we tried
Sure, but the us election system makes starting new parties and having them matter almost impossible.
Howso? Most people understand that third parties are counterproductive spoilers and won’t risk it. You have to destroy one of the entrenched majorities first if you want a new party to accomplish anything.
Surely you destroy one of the major entrenched parties by not voting for them and instead voting for someone else who can than take their place.
someone else who can than take their place.
That’s the kicker. If you don’t have a clean, single-cycle transition then you’re handing control to your worst enemies.
If we’re going to fracture a party, let’s fracture the right. Destroy the worse one first, then siphon from the less worse one once the fracture takes.
Yeah, it’s an absolutely unhinged argument to suggest that the only way to a multi-party democracy is to move to a one-party system first. They haven’t thought it through at all.
You say “most people understand”, as though basically every other functioning democracy in the world doesn’t have at least five or more parties sitting in their legislature.
(edit: curious about which of the downvotes are people butthurt about their democracy sucking, which are from bots, and which are from cowardly votescolds who wrongly believe that the path to salvation is to keep whipping people into propping up a failed two-party system that has led to America now being classed as a “Flawed Democracy” for the last 9 years by the Economist Intelligence Unit)
I’m speaking specifically about the US. Do those other democracies have the same FPTP electoral system as the US, or some other system that makes third parties viable?
You’re getting downvoted because you think pretending the US isn’t how it actually is will change it. Either that or you actively want to help the fascists
I assume you mean 60+ to break filibuster.
And weren’t a lot of them solid conservatives too (not like Manchin, further right)? Hence why pro-choice laws were never solidified.
Negative. Not one time since 2009 was the house and the Senate majority Democrat. Yes hey would need 60 for the Senate, but they haven’t met the material to even fight for 60
You are incorrect. 117th congress 2021-2023 because you didn’t bother to read last time:
With Harris serving as the tie breaker in her constitutional role as President of the Senate, Democrats gained control of the Senate, and thereby full control of Congress for the first time since the 111th Congress ended in 2011. Additionally, with the inauguration of Joe Biden as president that same day, Democrats assumed control of the executive branch as well, attaining an overall federal government trifecta, also for the first time since the 111th Congress.
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And what the fuck did Obama do with those 2 months?
Obamacare. Which, for all of its many flaws, was a major step forward in health care in this country, and saved numerous lives - my own included.
Obamacare was Romneycare with blue packaging. A perfect example of the ‘compromise’ in the comic.
Could have pushed for real healthcare like the rest of the Western world but no, wasted that chance.
Could’ve actually pushed for real healthcare like the rest of the Western world but nope, wasted that chance.
Do you… do you not understand that Obamacare, as it was, only barely passed?
Doesn’t that… prove the point?
Meaning, even among the Democrat party, there was little will to adopt the standards the rest of the western world enjoys. If actual public healthcare was a majority position among the party, the party wouldn’t have had to compromise with itself.
And even then Republicans have been constantly chipping away at it and trying to repeal it.
I feel like a lot of people forget that Healthcare was a lot worse before ACA/Obamacare and that’s in its crippled state.
Just imagine what the US could do if we consistently elected people who cared about us.
Healthcare was a lot worse before ACA/Obamacare
By what metrics? Life expectancy tells a very different story:
Note the increase in deviation from the rest of comparable countries starting around 2008.
In-hospital mortality rates which had been decreasing for decades suddenly flatlined while continuing to fall in other countries.
Treatable deaths remained pretty steady.
Maternal mortality rates starting skyrocketing around ~2015 but had been steadily increasing since ~95. There does already to be something weird that happened ~2005 that potentially delayed that rocket for a decade but I strongly doubt there’s any correlation there.
No obvious correlation to deaths of despair. It had been increasing for a while due to the whole recession thing and seems to just continue accelerating, especially when comparing age adjusted mortality.
Bankruptcy fillings are the only thing that looks to maybe have some correlation, but even then there doesn’t seem to be a strong causitive link and it certainly hasn’t lasted:
So again, by what fucking metric?! Because any I can think of there doesn’t seem to even be any positive correlation much less any strong causitive link.
While graphs can help tell a story, they aren’t really statistical proof. Especially because Healthcare is a complicated field with a lot of factors that could impact overall outcomes.
Some of the major things that ACA did was change how preexisting conditions were covered as well as children being able to stay on Healthcare until they were 26 and medicaid expansion.
The other major changes, like health insurance markets were so heavily attacked that the benefits from them were never able to really materialize.
While I agree that we aren’t seeing the outcomes we’d hope for, I would largely blame that on Republicans who repeatedly waste time trying to revoke the ACA rather than pushing policy that actually tries to improve things.
People really forget that Obama wanted a much more robust system but had to compromise literally time and time again just to get it passed. I remember all the revisions they tried because Republicans kept changing their demands and prevent the whole thing altogether.
Pushed to have the American Care act get through, then it got gutted and turned to a piece of shit by the time it got anywhere. If he had 2 months of that in say 2012 or 2013 it may have been different, but it was the first weeks of him holding the presidency and we quickly saw racism rise all around us. If he would have walked on the door with a Project 2009 with teams of people ready to drop in place maybe it would different. But by the time the guy knew where his coffee mug was and made sure his kids were safe, support was gone.
And the representative majority has not supported a health care system to fix anything since. So we sit in degradation
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Most of the people complaining loudly about this were toddlers last time it happened.
Hell I was born in 89’ and just made the cut off for voting in the 2008 by a year. Had no say in the Bush era
It was the 117th Congress from 2021-2023. Y’know when Roe V Wade was overturned, the DHS was “rebuilding” after COVID, Nicaragua was getting regime changed, etc.
E: for those who can’t be bothered to read:
With Harris serving as the tie breaker in her constitutional role as President of the Senate, Democrats gained control of the Senate, and thereby full control of Congress for the first time since the 111th Congress ended in 2011. Additionally, with the inauguration of Joe Biden as president that same day, Democrats assumed control of the executive branch as well, attaining an overall federal government trifecta, also for the first time since the 111th Congress.
Senate majority Republican. House majority Democrat. Says so in your own link
For the first 2 weeks of 2021. The full text:
Senate: Republican (until January 20, 2021) Democratic (with tie-breaking VP and through caucus) (from January 20, 2021)
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What if, for every day the government is shut down, all elected members of congress, the senate, and maybe even the executive get 2 months taken off their term.
That way, they either get it figured out somewhat fast or we have a special election and elect people who can. Tired of these incompetent people getting away with being bad at their jobs. No other industry allows that - even food service workers can get felonies for mishandling food. That affects like, a few people at most. They are affecting MILLIONS
Fucking bots and fascists downvoting this
The dems are entirely lame while in office.
That’s still LEAGUES better than the genocidal fascists of the GOP.
Maybe if you want progressive reforms, stop bitching and vote for progressives in the primaries. Not that it’ll matter now since millions let the fascists win so we won’t have any elections any more.
And the dems aren’t genocidal? Give me a break. People forget the genocide started and was aided by Biden. Before him people forget that all presidents (including Obama) had the same foreign policy of bombing brown people.
Keep blaming a 1% of internet leftists for not voting a genocide supporter out of principle instead of the establishment for running Ms. “We will build the deadliest armed forces in the world during an ongoing genocide that I support”.
Bernie was the compromise, and the dem establishment essentially antidemocratically couped him out. Now the dems deal with the consequences: they’d rather see Trump in office than a progressive (look at the collabbing between dems and reps in derailing Mamdani).
Keep blaming a 1% of internet leftists
I know we’re just throwing numbers around here but wasn’t the margin like 1%?
The difference of dem voters between last and previous elections is surely higher than that.
Keep blaming a 1% of internet leftists for not voting a genocide supporter out of principle instead of the establishment for running Ms. “We will build the deadliest armed forces in the world during an ongoing genocide that I support”.
TRUMP IS ACTIVELY COMMITTING MORE GENOCIDE AND ON US SOIL.
BOYCOTTNG VOTING BLUE OBJECTIVELY ENABLED MORE FUCKING GENOCIDE
Get it through your thick fucking skull that you people chose the PRO-GENOCIDE option.
No one should ever take you people seriously ever again. We have MORE GENOCIDE NOW because KAMALA LOST AND TRUMP WON.
Wanna know how we’d have ended up with less genocide?
LEFTIST COULD’VE VOTED FOR KAMALA AND MADE HER WIN.
You have more police violence in the US, not more genocide. There is no genocide in the US going on unless you count 20% of black males going to prison at some point in their lives, which is happening since many administrations ago and hasn’t really changed that much since Trump. You had the highest number of deportations during Obama, didn’t you?
Not everything we dislike about the US political system is genocide, I want to abolish the USA to be clear, but again: the fault of dems not being elected is Democratic elites who refuse to bring anything remotely palatable to the table. It was not “sabotage” that ruined the Dems chances of winning unless by sabotage you mean the internal one destroying every progressive candidate.
I didn’t choose shit and I didn’t sabotage shit, I’m a Spaniard in Spain without desire or right to vote in your country, that’s why it’s flagrantly obvious to me that choosing the least appealing possible candidate will result in elections being lost.
Leftists couldn’t have voted for Kamala because they didn’t vote for Kamala, it is the dems who lost the elections lmao
You have more police violence in the US, not more genocide.
Right, it’s just police violence that the US is
Building concentration camps: https://www.newsweek.com/ice-immigrant-detention-expansion-announced-map-2037263
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2025/08/29/michigan-ice-georgia-louisiana-prison
Rounding up and dissapearing thousands:
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/25/alligator_alcatraz
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5428568/ice-raids-la-fashion-district-immigration
Total normal US police brutality. Nothing to see here. /s
Are you intentionally ignoring reality or do you frequently try to talk with people about important issues you clearly have no understanding or context to?
Quick google search:
You can bring isolated instances as much as you want, macro data points to this being a bipartisan issue and nothing having fundamentally changed.
This is not an endorsement of Trump, this is a blanket condemnation of the entire US government apparatus, which should be entirely dissolved.
My dude, ICE just got a budget that dwarfs the marines specifically to become Trump’s Gestapo and genocide force: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-funding-world-militaries-b2790466.html
And “isolated incidents”?
My dude, I want you to ask yourself, really ask yourself, were the rights of immigrants more compromised last year, or this year?
Did they have more of a legal framework to rely on to ensure their own safety and safety for their loved ones this year or last year?
We’re facilities being built en masse specifically for an unparalleled mass deportation campaign (which is how the Holocaust started BTW) last year or did that start this year?
Ask yourself, was the active president trying to normalize sending the military to confront protestors last year or this year?
Shit, don’t just ask yourself, ask immigrants. Ask scholars who specialize in the history of genocide.
You’re too hyper-focused on simple raw data while conveniently ignoring the context of the reality behind it, and your data isn’t even up to date for the current year who’s data would most be important to have for this conversation.
Not to mention the very likely discrepancy that people detained by ICE and sent to concentration camps are likely not gonna show up on data talking specifically about US prisons for US crimes. Especially when you consider THE VAST MAJORITY THAT ICE HAS KIDNAPPED HAVE NO CRIMINAL RECORD: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-ice-immigration-arrest-data-1.7584212
Why tf would they show up on that data?
Also, do you genuinely believe ICE when they report back that their victims are alive and ok, when 1.2k ARE FUCKING MISSING FROM ALLIGATOR AUSCHWITZ? Which we only know about because it was closed down for environmental regulations.
I commend your care about the minorities in the US, I’m just trying to show that this isn’t an exclusive Trump issue, the US system literally puts 1 in 5 black men through the prison system throughout their lives. I’m not endorsing Trump, I’m not endorsing ICE, both are fascist organizations. It’s just that the entire US apparatus is fascist and now it’s strengthening its repression inwards, which has USians worried. As a non-USian, it’s sad to see, but it’s what Democrats enabled by not doing literally anything during their rule and putting forth an unelectable pro-genocide candidate talking of fascist points such as the infamous “I will ensure that the USA has the most lethal armed forces in the world” to which the crowd in the DNC responded “USA, USA, USA”. The way to fight fascists historically isn’t to elect less fascist right wing, not even social democrats, but to organize in communist and anarchist unions, parties and organizations.
The dems dropped the ball in the 2024 election, by pretending Biden was sharp as a tack and gaslighting us about his mental health until they couldn’t hide it anymore during that disastrous debate, and since they lied about him so long, they replaced him with someone who flopped HARD in 2020 and lost the election in 2024.
I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries and watched as the DNC did everything they could to destroy him and install a good little establishment guy like Biden.
When Trump’s a psychopath and the opposition keeps gaslighting us about the mental health of the president so long that they have no choice but to hand pick a replacement because it’s too late for a primary, a lot of people are just going to say “fuck it” and not vote.
They’re still being delusional and refusing to face facts. Hopefully they can learn from this.
I get where the DNC fucked up.
Everyone except the DNC acknowledges where they fucked up.
Its the millions of leftist voters who are in a desperate need of self reflection for how they fucked up by boycotting the election.
Millions of marginalized peoples’ loves were at stake with the 2024 election, both domestically and abroad. People who leftists are supposed to care about, advocate for, and pico the best VIABLE option for, which was Kamala.
Boycotting Kamala wasn’t “sticking it to the Dems”. It was deatroying the future and lives of the millions of marginalized people the boycotting left abandoned to fascism.
Its extremely easy for those in pirivelge, be it financial, racial, sex, gender, etc, to look at Kamala by herself and proclaim she was a shitty candidate. She was, objectively.
But 2024 wasn’t about Kamala, it was about millions of people who now have ICE and the military dissapearing them, and canceling elections nation wide in 2026 and on.
We cannot keep pretending everything that’s happening was an unknown. We were warning people about P2025 for over a year, but self righteous egomaniacal leftists either didn’t listen, didn’t believe it, or simply don’t actually give a fuck about the marginalized people now being sent to concentration camps.
The DNC needed to do a lot better to challenge Trump and they failed miserably. They propped up a guy who could barely form a coherent sentence. If they really, seriously believed Donald Trump was the existential threat to this country that he totally is, they should have been up front about Biden’s mental health in time to hold a real primary.
Kamala Harris didn’t lose because she is a woman of color. She lost because (A) she’s a terrible candidate who can’t answer questions consistently, as also seen when she ran in 2020, and (B) people felt like they were lied to by the Dems so long that they lost faith in the entire political process and didn’t show up to vote. To act like Trump lied and the DNC told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is just plain wrong. The truth is, in a democracy, nobody is owed any votes, ever, and you can’t just blame the citizens.
Hi, we didn’t vote for Kamala because she’s a genocidal freak. You’re the one who didn’t care about genocide. Bye. :)
So you enabled the even more genocidal freak to take power.
Congratulations, dumbass.
You voted for genocide.
Yeah I voted for genocide. However, I voted for less genocide than we got from the right. I didn’t have a choice. I normally vote left, and if I took away my vote, that would mean the balance of US votes would shift right by a vote. This means that by not voting, I’d effectively be voting right. Doesn’t matter what my intentions were, the outcome was a shift towards the right, which would (and did) result in more genocide than if I had voted left. It’s not as bad as flipping my left vote to a right vote, which would effectively shift the balance right by 2 votes, but is still worse than voting for the less of two evils now, and continuing to vote in local elections and other, non-primary elections for much more progressive candidates so that I may someday not have to vote for the lesser of two evils in the future.
I understand that this is just playing the game they want us to play. I do get that. But if enough people were like me and voted for progressive candidates in all elections, even those outside of the primary, there wouldn’t be any game to play, the only available candidates on the left would be progressive. Too many people throw away their votes in smaller elections, which makes the primary election feel not worth it, because the candidate doesn’t line up with what you believe in. No shit, you didn’t vote in smaller elections, so why would someone with your same views end up as a candidate?
It’s nice to see my seething rage brought to bear in your comments.
The illusion of choice…
You have a choice. Park and reverse.
Show up to the fucking primaries and help progressives put fucking progressives in Dem seats. Otherwise these neoliberal ghouls will keep warming the fucking seats, though that’s assuming the current fascist regime is too busy tripping over its own distended asshole to successfully implement the one-party state it so desperately desires.
Bernie got 25% of the vote in the 2020 primaries. We fucking need people out here.
I didn’t vote for Kamala
Bernie was a compromise for leftists that felt voting mattered and didn’t want to partake in violence. The leftists that actually give a fuck don’t align themselves with the Dems and instead run third party.
Sorry I don’t really get excited for Bernie “Bomb the Browns and Close The Borders” Sanders
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/252270-sanders-i-wouldnt-end-drone-program/
If you only vote for candidates that excite you, you forfeit any and all electoral influence.
“electoral influence” to choose what billionaires will continue to fund a 1 trillion dollar military and the brutal repression of the citizenry? wow. thats certainly too bad.
Yes, exactly. One major party generally keeps their brutal oppression overseas, the other increases overseas oppression and also turns the trillion dollar military against the citizenry. One of those two options is objectively worse, and we have the electoral influence to obstruct the worse option.
They’re not objectively worse to those of us outside of America.
If anything having your military directed inwards is a blessing for the world as it saves us from you for a period.
It doesn’t though, the military is still directed outward too, generally moreso. Yes, they’re objectively worse all around.
No, Trump has threatened everyone and bombed some boats but unlike Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc he hasn’t been involved in a large scale war yet.
The sheer stupidity to think Trump has used the military outwards more than any the invasions in the Mid East, South America, or Asia as all previous US presidents have is mind boggling.
You are a nation of war mongers and invaders, enjoy your karma as it comes home.
Yes, exactly. One major party generally keeps their brutal oppression overseas, the other increases overseas oppression and also turns the trillion dollar military against the citizenry.
Ah yes, the Dems who definitely did not deport more people then the republicans and have been singing the song of “build the wall” since the 2000s? The “Secure Fence Act”? The dems who have always funded the police and increased their militarization. Those dems, who don’t “turn the military against the citizenry?”
the other increases overseas oppression
Really? Obama didn’t increase our engagement in Afghanistan? Didn’t bomb weddings? Biden didn’t commit a Genocide? Obama didn’t intervene in Libya? I don’t know what Dems you’re talking about, but the ones I know commit crimes, overseas and domestic.
And? Name one Republican administration with less foreign military involvement and domestic overreach than their Democratic contemporaries. I’ll wait.
Hmm weird you were simping for trump in another thread
Now with another one of these big bogus showdowns looming down on us, I can already pick up the stench of another bummer. I understand, along with a lot of other people, that the big thing this year is Beating Nixon. But that was also the big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960 – and as far as I can tell, we’ve gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more of the same.
—Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail ’72 (1973)
Meanwhile, progressives/third party candidates are essentially a vapor three years of every four. Then they show up from out of nowhere, begging for votes while touting an unproven political track record and next to zero clout to back up anything they promise.
Yeah. I can see why it seems only people below voting age seem to like them. Everyone else sees through the bullshit.
Now, bring on the whatabouts!
“Unproven Track Record”
meanwhile the proven track record is full of stuff like voting to invade Afghanistan and renewing the PATRIOT act
Yawn. How’s things working out for ya? Better than if Harris won? Please, illustrate the differences that have made things better for everyone. I’d love to see this in writing.
Yeah easy to say in hindsight. Many people didn’t want to vote for genocide and a shit candidate didnt help either. Instead of being mad at others you should be mad at the powers at be and the party that continuously betrays and gaslights you into thinking they’re the good guys.
Well, the democrats enamored themselves to the public so hard, they lost every swing state and the popular vote went to a republican for the first time in the 21st century.
Don’t worry, though, I hear they have a bold new strategy! They’re gonna try chasing “moderate” republican voters and giving up on abortion rights.
As I expected, you didn’t bother to answer my question, and instead, chose random rhetoric as a response.
Now, try again.
Easier to run counterfactuals and re-litigate the past than to actually address the current strategy the Democrats are adopting, isn’t it?
If you want an answer: Kamala would have been better domestically, though like the Obama and Biden administrations before her, she likely would have further expanded ICE; still leaving its abuses available for whenever the next Republican administration took office.
And she wouldn’t break with the Republican-Democrat foreign policy consensus. Maybe she would have been better at forcing Israel into a ceasefire… though, Harris was already part of the Biden admin, so there is clearly some level of complicity in genocide she finds tolerable.
Bad faith to include progressives here… You are exclusively describing third party spoilers like green and you very likely know that.
Progressives are represented throughout US politics VERY actively, pushing boulders up these hills covered in feces. Meanwhile green party only has a couple dinners with Putin and trump’s cabinet members in the interim years before they activate for a general election.
Nobody is buying what you are shoveling, chief.
