It’s comforting to know some Americans still have a spine.
Just need every american doing this to stop the fascist steamroller before it picks up more momentum.
Wow, I don’t think I could keep up such a brutal rant as long as he did, that was fantastic.
Holy fucking shit I loved that!
Now that’s what a fucking legend sounds like, you tell those piss weak excuses for men exactly how much they’re pathetic cowards.
I salute the man holding this camera. A true American, protecting and standing up for the disenfranchised
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That’s a lotta 1A
Is there a minimum required distance from these guys, where it makes your lawyer’s job harder if you get too close even if not touching?
And is profanity OK & any volume? Maybe jurisdiction dependent. IDK when they slap the “disorderly” stuff on you.
Think I recall middle finger to police was protected speech at some point, IDK maybe somebody knows this stuff. Obviously every American should feel comfortable protesting generally, just curious about finer details (can protest longer when not in jail)
I feel like he got too close at the very end there… until then I think it was a healthy distance?
& it was also slightly chasey too wasn’t it?
We don’t want protestors shot over a few inches when it’s (presumably or arguably) equally effective two steps back
Ya, I think the more appropriate way if you’re chasing someone off is to get further back the more further they run away.
If they stop retreating, then decrease the distance again.
You have to tread lightly around fighting words. If you are inciting violence you can get arrested. Having said that, I’m sure your average Ice Agent is not a constitutional scholar.
Wow, thank you. Super interesting. (Only knew the term)
So, perhaps if the protest from the video had happened in 1942, it would have been illegal, but perhaps today it was okay. Only referring to the speech and not the volume or proximity.
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If they’re going to keep doing signing bonuses they should add on enough classes for them to become constitutional scholars. Happily pay for that
In most states, “pig buffer zone” laws have been stricken because they all violate 1A. However, some states haven’t lost in court yet. In most states, “interference with the police” requires a physical act or explicit threat, not a particular distance.
You can tell the cops to go fuck themselves. That’s covered by Cohen v. California, going back to 1971, and other related cases before and after that time. You cannot assume that “any volume is OK in all situations”. But out on the sidewalk during the day, it is typically true that yelling “fuck the police” is protected by 1A.
Yes, the one finger salute is entirely protected. If you give a pig the bird and they arrest you, they’ll try to find another charge to cover up the badness, and if they fail then you will probably win your civil rights lawsuit.
Remember, though, that the pigs don’t care about the law. If they want to arrest you, they will, and as they say, “you can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride”.
God damn. Man knows how to tell people what’s on his mind that’s for sure.
Honestly we could use more of this. Not necessarily bad stuff, but communication at minimum. Fuck ICE, fuck the police for allowing terrorists and backing them up. ACAB.
Oh not throwing shade, it was a masterclass of expressing dissatisfaction and gave the ice agents exactly the amount of respect they deserve.
No it wasnt. It was some asshole repeated calling people “stupid bitch”. If breaks my heart that you think thats a “masterclass” of expressing anything.
It seems to be the only language these “agents” understand. Part of resisting a fascist regime is demoralizing their followers where they start to lose confidence in their choices and leaders direction.
With respect to the civil reply, I respectfully disagree. In fact, it seems that “the left” side of the culture wars have been doing this type of thing for at least the last decade which, IMO, is part of the reason its got to this stage where these naziesque wannabes are running around on orders from a buffoon who was voted in, not once, but twice.
At some point, you have to stop shouting “cunt” at people and take the time to educate them.
For example, how many people today still think that Watermelon is racist? Id wager most people. The reason for this was former slave owners, who didnt like that former slaves were growing watermelons and making a living from it, and so started a propaganda campaign that showed images of black people eating watermelon like animals. Within 10 years, watermelon was a racist connection, and all trace that it had a symbol of hope for a recently freed people was lost. That was over 130 years ago, and it was done with paper and pen and limited distribution. So, IMO, its hardly surprising that so many people today have been conned into thinking… whatever these people want them to think.
And calling them cunt, and screaming abuse at them, is only going to push them further into echo chambers. We saw this before with Trump and Brexit, and echo chambers like Reddit being shocked when their created reality, didnt reflect the real world.
To change the world, you need to talk. Not shout. Thats the greatest weapon we have. Those at the top, the paedos and money men, they want us screaming at each other. Not hearing the truth. Filling our hearts with hate for each other. Because then, we never look to them. Instead of people like Trump, Musk, Bezos, and all the faceless money men, we dont at immigrants, “the woke”, the alt right, the trans people, the religious people, fucking everything and anything, but where societal problems ultimately begin and end. Those at the top. Have you noticed that we arent even crying out to the Epstein files anymore? How fucking easy was it for them to move us all on to something else… So, Im sorry. But, no. We need to talk to each other. Not scream abuse. Because you might feel good about it for 5 minutes, but really, is changes nothing. And we are all still here, watching this shit in 4K and dolby atmos.
I get what you’re saying and theoretically you’re right in some contexts but I would just like to say that I think you’re completely wrong here.
Fair enough. Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion. Thanks for not calling me a cunt, a bootlicker and wishing violence and death on me :)
You have yourself a great weekend, mate.
As somebody that has always been diplomatic in conflict resolution.: I feel that talking is too late. They don’t care, they have an agenda, they will carry it out.
You can talk out a problem with a rational thinking person, but you can’t reason with the people that think what they are doing is OK.
There was a newer study that has identified a personality trait. It identifies the type of person that supports hairbrained ideas from a person they’d normally not agree with if they feel they are winning against the enemy.
So you have Christians who should denounce Trump for what he is and has done, but they feel empowered because he’s helping the fight the enemy.
The whole American I got mine mentality personified To change their mind means they are losing.
My old inlaws grew up in wartime Germany, they describe what we see today as exactly how Hitler swayed the country. It wasn’t till other countries stepped in with violence that the German populartion came to their senses. Talking to your neighbour about them supporting the SS changed noones mind ( that believed the Jews were the enemy.)
Don’t get it? Then STFU.
lol Make me, cunty chops.
Vulgarity, yelling and screaming actually were very useful in that situation and were perfect for the intended outcome, to be intimidating. I think that was the perfect choice for expressing how he felt and to get the result he wanted.
Not really, you dog fucking hippy bitch. Whats it like fucking dogs, you dog fucking hippy bitch? Bet you fuck puppies, you paedo dog fucking hippy bitch!!!
I bet you are SUPER interested in anything else I have to say now… right? Throwing a tantrum is just that. Anyone can do it. It takes no skill, or talent to scream and swear and stamp your feet. A masterclass, would be tearing those men down with facts, not names.
If you want to change hearts and minds, you dont tell people what to think. You give them something to think about.
Ah shit I replied above and then it got worse jeez 🤦
I think that your attitude towards communication is based off of an assumption that academic centric linguistics are inherently intellectually superior and appropriate for all social situations, and that by having this view you view yourself as intellectually superior to others who do not subscribe to that manner of speaking at all times, and enjoy passing judgement on others as inferior to you because they use the word fuck.
This is a narrow view of linguistics, social dynamics, politics and debate.
The primary goal of that man was to get those ICE agents away from those Hispanic looking people and to leave. These agents are unlikely to have their mind changed with calm, reasonable debate. In fact, these types of people view that style of communication as weak, and would have not been intimidated or moved to leave.
So, in that regard, yes, that was a master class of communication, because he used his words, and only his words, to get two armed people to not kidnap people off of the streets and leave.
A calm, intellectual debate would not have worked.
I suggest that you consider how you attitude is, frankly, a little classist, and narrow in scope.
Now THIS is a masterclass.
We aren’t trying to change their minds. We want them to fucking leave.
Well, they arent going to leave, are they? Fucking hell, you need to go outside, son. Touch some grass, and see the real world and real people and how they actually work. Cos if you think this is going to make anyone leave, Ive got a Nigerian Prince I can introduce you to that has a money he wants to give you…
I want every ICE agent to go home and cry themselves to sleep because everyone is mean to them, and dread going to work in the morning because everyone fucking hates them. They can choose to quit whenever they want and be happier afterwards.
That would be a fascinating thing to see, this guy as the ‘bad cop’ and then someone next to him being the ‘good cop’ saying things like ‘You have all this training and experience. There are people out there who need your help. You could be out there helping them, saving families instead of tearing them apart. You could be someone’s hero instead of the henchmen of a villain who uses you as a disposable, nameless distraction from his own crimes.’ or something like that.
You really think you calling them cunt is going to make them go home and cry? You dont think they arent just going to go home and say to their husband or wife “You’ll never guess what some blue haired land whale screamed at me today! lol”?
The more you dig in, the more they dig in. The more they dig in, the more you dig in. And in the end, they’re better organised than you, and have better grifters. Or you cant stop acting like fucking children, and actually accomplish something.
But you do you. I mean, what youve been doing for past 9 years has done nothing, but make it all worse. Im sure this next time will be the one though… right?
If these dudes cared about facts they wouldn’t be participating in ICE. There’s no changing their minds. Best option is for them to go home and dome themselves when they realize how worthless they are and that no one decent will ever care about them.
That’s kind of silly, isn’t it? ICE doesn’t care about facts, logic, and rights. You could craft the perfect persuasive speech and it would mean nothing to them because they lack basic morals. But insults? They understand those, and they hate being disrespected.
Awww…. You poor thing.
Your heart is broken easily. I’d toughen up.
“Im so fucking dumb, I dont know what a figure of speech is!”
This you?
Shut up you fucking pussy. You deserve to get your shit kicked in
lol
Nope. Not me. But you’re getting bodied in these comments and you’re still trying, I don’t know whether it’s sad or impressive.
Nope. Not me.
More of this please!!
That was a surprisingly calm reaction by the ICE officers. An angry guy insulted and screamed at them and all they did was tell him to leave.
That’s because they aren’t cops
Fabulous
This man is a hero. We should all be doing this.
Imagine what could be if just 10% of the democrats had half of this guys courage and determination?
Also imagine what could be if the non-voting masses had NOT enabled and empowered the fascists and bigots AGAIN.
You’re fighting a fight you lost last year. Everyone could have done more to prevent this and there’s a lot of blame to go around. Either invent time travel or deal with the present as it is.
Oh, so it’s like school shootings, then!
“Now is not the time to talk about gun control!”We still seem to see these idiots - who let a rabid badger into everybody’s house - smugly fingering their purity asshole ring, seemingly going: “Come on, Democrats… dazzle me! Pick up the badger with your bare hands… as I hurl feces at you!”
It is still a valid point to make, to point out the goddamned useless deadweights, for anybody who might still be influenced by these useless stunted narcissists who deliberately act as if they can’t tell the difference between shit and Shine-o-la.
I guess we’ll see if the same strategy doesn’t work for you again. Stay the course I’m sure nothing will go wrong.
The whole world thanks the non voting masses for lifting that viel off the USofA. They at least have some conscience unlike the rest of the arrogant losers in the left and right.
US is now killing and disappearing people inside their own borders, instead of half way across the world. And even their allies are waking up to distance themselves from the trainwreck it has become. You can blame trump and non voters all you want but it was building up for decades.
Thank you for your service mfs.
Corpo money can’t buy people with integrity so we end up with performative neolibs at best.
Imagine further what could be if we stopped blaming the people who aren’t the ones causing the problem
This guy’s my fucking hero
Seriously, holy shit. Guy was ready to get shot and wasn’t taking any crap about it.
I can get behind this guy. He’s a true hero, unlike the rapist in chief they’re taking orders from.
