Cool, cool cool cool. Nothing dystopian about that at all.
What’s posted to the internet, STAYS on the internet. Forever. Stay safe friens
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Don’t just be mad at palantir.
The American government funded palantir.
Palantir couldn’t exist without the helping hand of the American government.
The time to give a fuck was long before Snowden made his leaks.
All the dystopian stuff people fear the government will do is already being done by a framework of companies funded by our government.
Like, they’ve been able to do this for 25 odd years.
There were gov data centers with thousands of petabytes when I was in college. Prism had the gov archiving every phone call and all internet traffic back in '08…
This is not news.
As soon as the quantum cryptography tech gets there, they’ll start decrypting the signal and matrix chats you had yesterday.
Privacy is illusory and temporary.
The
stasigovernment would never use my data against me. I’ve got nothing to hide. Hey I think I’ll go buy this doadd for no reason at all no subliminal advertisingThe US government is temporary. Not our privacy.
Depends on what the people organize to fight to protect.
Unfortunately, I don’t have confidence in the American people to fight for the correct option.
People apparently don’t know about the NSA Utah Datacenter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
Been a thing for over a decade, unimaginable total storage size, and they literally archive everything.
This place had between 3 and 12 exabytes of storage capacity, in 2013.
1 exabyte is 1 billion gigabytes.
How big was your pc/laptop hard drive in 2013?
Maybe… 250 gigs to 2 teras, something like that?
This data center could now easily be in the yottabyte range ( millions of exabytes ), maybe even ronnabytes ( billions of exabytes ).
https://www.rankred.com/largest-data-centers-in-the-world/
6th largest data center in the world by physical size, and it is the only one on this list explictly designated for ‘national security’.
The NSA has taps on every single major trunk line going in or out of the US, they coordinate with every major US-based ISP, every major software provider, data center operator.
They have so much archived data that their actual problem is figuring out how to search through it efficiently… and that is a big thing that Palantir does, that was kinda their whole intitial… thing, as a company.
I came here to make this comment less cogently. You have it exactly.
Now, does it violate US law and multiple Executive Orders to search the database to get dirt on US Citizens and use it against their election campaign? Yes. Yes it does. But this administration thinks laws are for sissies.
And this was always the problem of building the panopticon, everyone justified doing it by saying ‘well, its fine so long as the good guys are in charge’, and ‘we have to stop the terrorists, 9/11 Never Again’.
This is why the panopticon system is destroyed by Lucius Fox after using it to find the Joker in the Dark Knight.
The system itself is too dangerous to be allowed to exist in a world of flawed humans, and it will eventually be wielded by those least morally qualified to wield it.
Fuck, this is also basically analagous to the Lord of the Rings… Frodo is the hero for destroying the One Ring, not wielding it, because it literally corrupts you with its literally evil power.
God damnit.
This “too dangerous to exist” argument is seemingly more true for nuclear technology, but the world recognized the threat and came together to manage it.
I will grant you that database and ability to search it lends itself easily to popular oppression, but it still requires thinking, breathing humans to do the oppressing.
Most technology is not dangerous without psychopaths in power, and damn near everything is dangerous with psychopaths in power.
No wonder that guy didn’t understand One Piece
I’m still a bit skeptical Palantir would expose this capability over a Senate race which hasn’t even gotten through primaries. I haven’t looked into it that much, but I think it’s far more likely there’s something on the accouny which makes it easy to identify, and someone this dude knows figured it out before he deleted that account.
Opposition research isn’t really illegal, there’s no confirmation that anything from Palantir was actually used, and it’s trivially easy for any layperson to view deleted reddit comments-- to be perfectly honest in this specific case I just don’t think there was anything really untoward
When people were up in arms about China getting data from TikTok, I wondered if they had any idea of what the NSA does.
When that was going on, the whole time I was saying that if we ban Tiktok for data security reasons, we should ban Facebook and Instagram for exactly the same reason, and yes, we should ban basically all social media at this point, its all a perfect spying machine, one you get addicted to, beyond hiding in plain sight…
Of course, that’s extremely unlikely to happen… but it is an actually consistent position.
We probably should. But the reason for the ban is because they don’t want foreign governments swaying the american public; only the US government is allowed to do that.
The sale to a right wing Trumpbuddy proves what I have been saying. The position of the US government is quite consistent: “WE get all of your data.”
Oh great the second I become president my DeviantArt is getting leaked
It was forensics. They used forensics. Ai did not help, probably got a bit in the way even. You can do these things with data. We told you several times
Yes I too can use web.archive.org
Sure, but it’s also very likely that reddit is still retaining all posts even “deleted” ones in their database. I can go look at the profiles of people who haven’t used their accounts in 12 years. I can use Arctic Shift to view posts and comments that users have deleted themselves… even from deleted accounts! All the data is still there. That’s why a few years ago when people were deleting accounts it was widely suggested to edit every comment into gibberish before deletion, so the final edit in the database would be worthless. I remember when there were extension tools to do it like NukeReddit that changed everything to gibberish and then deleted it for you all automatically. Those tools had stopped working by the time the exodus due to the API changes happened.
Anyway, I wouldn’t past that fucking pile of shit Steve Huffman to just be passing it off to Palantir because he’s such a little bitch.
i’m glad to have deleted my account that way before it was cool. fuck reddit.
That’s not how it works. I’ll throw myself under the bus for you. Look up “reddit.com/u/1831942” on the web archive. (This is NOT a plug) You can see random archives (non-personal) of my profile. It doesn’t matter if you deleted it. It sucks that the info is floating out there. Also, fuck reddit.
i don’t really get what i’m seeing. seems like an old account?
That’s my old account that I deleted a bunch of content on. My point is that it’s archived. When I said “non-personal,” I meant no one personally archived my posts. They were just web crawled. I was posting/ commenting often on a popular social media platform, so it was archived. I hope that makes sense.
fuck, i didn’t find yours on web archive, but this makes me want to go looking for my old account.
fuck these ghouls, i hope having deleted it for a very long time now helps somewhat.
I mean it’s still the internet and we always knew it’s impossible to really delete something from the Internet. There could be someone somewhere who archives all of reddit with all the edits, just because they can.
I don’t think people realize that our user information is automatically documented on a not-so regular basis. (By the web archive crawler) I’ve been curious about Lemmy, but I haven’t seen us on there much, lol. I don’t think we’re important enough, THANKFULLY.
I follow the lesser evil approach. I’m further away socially, culturally, and politically from the Chinese so all my tech is Chinese. Them having my data is less dangerous to me than just letting the redneck reich get it.
Fuckers should help me restore my old academic portfolio then. Might as well put living in a dystopian surveillance state to helpful use.
It seems like these sorts of things can be used against you, but whenever it might actually benefit you they always come up short.
I was screaming this when COVID first hit.
Remimds me of when everyone was deleting their posts around the API blackout and suddenly the next day it was like Reddit did a restore from checkpoint and all of the edited posts and deleted posts came right back. I for one had to run the script that replaced then delete my posts twice, but that’s besides the point.
Same, but then a bunch of mine popped up again sometime in the last few months. Not exactly sure when, and it wasn’t all of them.
I didn’t run the replace script tho, I wish I would’ve.
Did they actually come back or did a bunch of comments not show up in your profile because the subs were private so they didn’t get deleted, then they reappeared when the subs reopened? I thought some of mine were restored too, but it was a combination of that and the tool I used only hitting the most recent 1000.
Not a bad guess, and it’s always possible there may have been a handful for which that were true, but no. The bulk of them were from subs that have been public for years and continue to be. I’d been at zero comments for pert near 2 years? A bit more. I would check every now and again after they all came back early on. Then suddenly I noticed a few thousand were back, all from 2011-2014 or thereabouts.
Indeed, replacing the posts with irrelevant jibberish was the way
What script is this?
I used this in the past, not sure itll still work, it worked with old.reddit a few years back
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/1870-delete-all-reddit-comments/code
there’s otherones that edit comments as opposed to deleting them, either way reddit keeps a copy, just fyi
Thank you!
Pretty sure they also have access to banned Reddit accounts whose users can no longer access their history to know what they will be judged and profiled for, too.
Just assume every social network either allows this directly or enables a third party to do it, Lemmy specially.
Lemmy is explicitly public. I don’t think that’s much of a stretch.
As a software engineer I was a little shocked when I learned our company treats “Delete” buttons as a means to toggle Archived = 1 in the DB. Nothing is actually deleted. Sure we will anonymise the data after a certain time to be GDPR compliant but it would be trivial I guess to actually link that back to people.
I’m pretty sure GDPR requires websites to abide to user requests to delete their data. You may wish to review that with your company.
The GDPR applies to data pertaining to an identifiable person. Anonymised data is more or less equivalent to deleted data as far as the regulation is concerned. Source: I was a DPO for 5 years.
Oh, I see. Indeed anonymised data should be fine under GDPR. However it is often very difficult to anonymise data. Some things are easy to anonymise, other are very complex.
For a small company who does not mainly work with data, the easiest solution to comply with GDPR is indeed just deleting the data altogether.
Yes, there a concept of “pseudonymous” data in some of the guidance, which refers to anonymous data which, when taken together, could identify the person - even if some of that data is not held by the data controller. Under those circumstances seemingly anonymous data can fall under the regulation although most companies are very unlikely to consider such nuance in their data policies.
The requirement exists unless the company is under legal obligation to retain something. I had one case where I requested a GDPR data dump followed by a full deletion, and apparently whoever executed the request deleted first and then processed the dump, so I was able to see that what they did was change my email address from [email protected] to username#[email protected] - meaning that login attempts, password resets etc. would clearly fail, and a further attempt to request my data revolving around my email address would be unsuccessful, but ultimately all my data was still accessible somewhere. Whether they’d then proceed to delete it after the retention period, who knows. I intended to follow up but forgot…
The org i used to work for had to develop a special process to delete user data upon request, it was not an easy process in dynamics365
if you want something deleted you best destroy the hard disk yourself lol
There’s no independent audit for GDPR compliance so the only way to know would be if someone whistleblows. There are also so many loopholes that allows to keep the data like “to prevent further abuse” or “some legal reason”.
So if reddit bans your account they can keep all data and you can’t do anything about it even with GDPR.
Don’t GDPR deletion requests only require deleting personal data, and not public posts?
Are you advising breaking the law just because nobody checks?
I’m saying corporations break the law if nobody checks - why wouldn’t they?
That happens. Still, many companies do not. Some companies are unaware of the legislation.
I was informing one worker of a company of one such law.
Many companies do not break the law even though there are no controls just because that is the right thing to do.
My current workplace doesn’t have for foresight to do that. Delete fully deletes immediately and without confirmation. Oh and the backups have been broken for years
On the upside, recent changes in leadership and on the team made it so we finally have the political will and talent in the right places to actually put effort into fixing backups but they have a lot of technical debt to sift through in fixing the last folks’ mistakes and oversights
That’s basically how deleting data from a hard drive works too.
Not quite, deletion from a hard drive also unflags the space the data was located at as being in use, so it will be overwritten eventually so long as the drive continues to have things written to it. Simply flagging something as being archived means that information will remain on the server indefinitely, the exact opposite of what is intended by a delete button.
That’s why we use the shred command, then you get random data over it at the start.
Depending on your media that may not really destroy the data. SSDs do wear leveling and it might just write new blocks and reuse the old ones later.
So, what you’re saying is, to truly delete data from an ssd you need to do manual wear leveling with a belt sender.
Psh I’m surprised you’re surprised. The only way to really get rid of data is microwave or magnet, no?
I guess I’m naive and believe people would be honest.
I wish too. But apparently information I’d power 🤷♂️ who would’ve guessed
drill bit*
It’d work if it was encrypted and you threw away the encryption key on delete
There are dedicated tools, called Social Listening tools that do just these. Some examples are Brandwatch, Sprinklr, Talkwalker and Meltwater.
Not just Palantir, anyone and everyone is using these tools. From consumer companies to investment banks to your favourite content creator is using some kind of social listening to stay on top of trends and understand how you behave.
Reddit and Twitter are two social platforms that provide the most data openly and freely, and in reddit’s case you can get a lot of historical data without extra cost.
Your favourite candle brand, and your favourite outdoor clothing company and protein shake company is part of your favourite reddit community listening to what you’re talking about. They know if you like energy drinks, you might light heavily scented bath soaps too.
Deleted posts show up on these platforms quite often but when you click on them to go to reddit or twitter you’ll get a not found or deleted page.
PS: I’ve been working in social listening for last 8 years.
Why are you doing evil work…? Like… Why develop these tools that will so obviously be used to worsen our lives?
I’ve been working mostly on the analysis side of things, currently I do this for a consumer goods company.
And yes I do it to make a living. Got hired as an analyst in this field out of MBA and stayed in this. Also being chronically online and familiar with social networks helped.
Gotta eat. Blame the system that creates this incentive not some individual wageslave
Yes, but you can choose how to earn ypur living. It is unlikely they cannot do amy other job.
I think coming out of an MBA, this is one of the less harmful jobs. I’d rather not be in consulting or investment banking or sales or big tech.
Like ICE
I feel like there’s a big difference between snatching people off the street and making ad targeting smarter. Yeah they both suck, but orders of magnitude here.
making ad targeting smarter
The word you’re looking for is “spying”.
when these types of tools are used to decide whomto snatch I hope that is cold comfort
Yes of course, but the excuse is the same
I can use a knife to open a box or open a person. Are these things the same because I used the same tool?
I’m not American so I don’t know the tools ICE uses and if social listening or whatever it is called is one of those tools. But if your reasoning for opening the box and the reasoning for opening the person is the same… well it’s the same. Different outcomes, same reason
I agree but at the same time, in a different thread who’s topic specifically is shaming a company for working on the white house, people are foaming from their mouths that someone is working for Trump and downvote anyone who disagrees. The double standard is just mine blowing.
Could you stop enabling the police state, please?
I wish lmao. But there are tons of data companies selling all kinds of data on people to whoever will pay them for it. Me working for identifying trends or what flavour of green tea is popular are less harmful use cases.
What we need is regulation to reign in big tech. These API licenses are expensive and I suspect is a big reason why Reddit ended free data sharing (which led to death of third party reddit clients).
‘Social Listening’ is uh, one way to brand ‘corporate surveillance panopticon’, I guess hahah!
Oh god I’m so glad I am an ex-corpo, the stupid fucking lingo and buzzwords alone should be enough to make most people realize they are in a cult, but I guess not.
go on, tell us more
There isn’t much to tell. We gather conversations and analyse it to understand consumer behaviour, trends, campaign performance etc.
If you don’t want your data showing up in social listening tools, make your social accounts as private as possible.
I can tell you from the perspective of someone working in consumer insights for a consumer company, sales and retail data is far more important and influences decisions way more.
So I’d say put your money where your mouth is. If you don’t like certain companies or brands stop buying their products. If you think groceries are getting expensive buy cheaper alternatives or private labels. You can do this with a lot of non-food grocery items. Private label is almost always cheaper and you get pretty much the same shit as global brands.
I see a lot of conversations of people mentioning how expensive things have gotten, yet we see in sales data that our expensive products sell more (this is also due to the fact that more ad dollars are spent on higher margin products) but try and buy cheaper alternatives whenever you can.
It’s like none of you have heard of Edward Snowden.
It hasn’t been on tiktok lately, so, correct, they have not.
That traitorous cunt who is the reason russia got so much influence in the US 2016 elections? Never heard of him.
Palantir is an evil company.
This was pretty evident the second they named their company over the tool used by The Dark Lord Sauron and Saruman to spy on the actions of others from Lord of the Rings.
Yup, data archival. Now imagine this future: right now, encrypted data transfers may be wire-tapped and stored. When quantum computers are available, all that traffic will be decryptable. This includes pretty much all general HTTPS traffic since TLS mostly uses ECDHE for key exchange which isn’t quantum secure.
I bet nation state actors are recording everything they can.Damn, dude… that’s insane and I’m surprised it’s never occurred to me.
I’ve had the realization before as I realize that maybe my password database will eventually be easily cracked… but there’s no reason it cannot apply to data in transit as well, as long as someone is recording it.
