The pages of mankind’s history are written in blood by the victors. Provide us with one example of a sovereign nation that does not have a violent, oppressive history.
That’s a fair response but my point was if we intend to tear down buildings because of dark pages in history we’d be rebuilding every nation from the ground up
That’s not what it represents to any actual Americans. Yes shitty people moved through its halls, but so did national and international heroes. Reducing it as you have done isn’t going to do shit but annoy people.
Based on the .au instance I’d assume you’re from Australia, it’d be mighty silly to throw stones while living in a glass house.
Sometimes it feels like every time an American laments the shitty state of our country someone has to come along to remind us that it has always been shitty to make us feel worse.
Because you’re not, you’re lamenting the shitty state of Trump. If he was gone or not here, you would not be here commenting on the shitty state of your country at all.
And how about instead of feeling bad about your history, you learn from it, recognise it’s an issue that goes far beyond Trump and fight to ensure it never repeats itself?
You do understand that there are massive protests going on around the country right now? Telling a single person you don’t know that they should fight to fix their country does nothing, we already know the country is fucked.
Dude you’re on lemmy there ain’t that many folks who would disagree with the observation that Trump isnt the source, but you’re missing the tree for the forest. To use an analogy we are looking at a crackhead pouring diesel on a massive trash pile and rather than focusing on stopping the crackhead from starting a massive inferno you are accusing folks of incompetents because they want to focus on the crackhead rather than discuss the massive trash pile that predates everyone present.
Yes Trump is a symptom but he is also an accelerant who is making a shit situation far far worse. He is piss turned into white phosphorus. We could discuss the source issue for decades and never come to a conclusion, was it Bush, or Reagan, or Nixon, or Wilson, or the failures of reconstruction, or even the founding of the Virginia colony to begin with, but that doesn’t really matter whatever the sources a lot of them are dead and buried the best we can do is deal with the problem in front of us.
Lol it’s not whataboutism, it’s pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. I didn’t attempt to downplay the US’ checkered past or even say what in particular I was referencing, just making an observation that our countries have both done fucking awful things.
Right, because it was fine when it was the home of slave owners, rapists, racists, genociders, imperialists, war criminals?
Americans need to learn their own history better.
The pages of mankind’s history are written in blood by the victors. Provide us with one example of a sovereign nation that does not have a violent, oppressive history.
“Unless someone else is perfect, I refuse to stop killing children😤”
That’s a fair response but my point was if we intend to tear down buildings because of dark pages in history we’d be rebuilding every nation from the ground up
Sounds good
If you’re too cowardly to try, then step aside.
Oh? And what are you doing?
Haven’t you heard? I blew up the White House all on my own with the MQ-9 reaper drone I keep in my garage.
Tell me more about how much you don’t read history.
Given that he is now making his gestapo work without pay, I think Trump now essentially falls into every one of those categories.
That’s not what it represents to any actual Americans. Yes shitty people moved through its halls, but so did national and international heroes. Reducing it as you have done isn’t going to do shit but annoy people.
Based on the .au instance I’d assume you’re from Australia, it’d be mighty silly to throw stones while living in a glass house.
North or South? or the people in the middle that stole that for themselves?
I think it represents their values quite well.
Burn it to the ground.
Of course, because why would it represent reality to Americans when it can represent a mass delusion.
Every US president is a war criminal to some degree, they are not heroes.
And really? You think because my own country is shit that I can’t point out others issues? What a weak arse attempt at whataboutism.
Sometimes it feels like every time an American laments the shitty state of our country someone has to come along to remind us that it has always been shitty to make us feel worse.
Because you’re not, you’re lamenting the shitty state of Trump. If he was gone or not here, you would not be here commenting on the shitty state of your country at all.
And how about instead of feeling bad about your history, you learn from it, recognise it’s an issue that goes far beyond Trump and fight to ensure it never repeats itself?
You do understand that there are massive protests going on around the country right now? Telling a single person you don’t know that they should fight to fix their country does nothing, we already know the country is fucked.
And do you blame Trump for fucking your country or do you accept your country was fucked before Trump and will remain fucked after Trump?
Dude you’re on lemmy there ain’t that many folks who would disagree with the observation that Trump isnt the source, but you’re missing the tree for the forest. To use an analogy we are looking at a crackhead pouring diesel on a massive trash pile and rather than focusing on stopping the crackhead from starting a massive inferno you are accusing folks of incompetents because they want to focus on the crackhead rather than discuss the massive trash pile that predates everyone present.
Yes Trump is a symptom but he is also an accelerant who is making a shit situation far far worse. He is piss turned into white phosphorus. We could discuss the source issue for decades and never come to a conclusion, was it Bush, or Reagan, or Nixon, or Wilson, or the failures of reconstruction, or even the founding of the Virginia colony to begin with, but that doesn’t really matter whatever the sources a lot of them are dead and buried the best we can do is deal with the problem in front of us.
Lol it’s not whataboutism, it’s pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. I didn’t attempt to downplay the US’ checkered past or even say what in particular I was referencing, just making an observation that our countries have both done fucking awful things.
Don’t bother responding, I won’t read your reply.
You will read this.
Almost like this narrative is a way to salvage US imperialism in light of the undeniable immorality of its current leader.