And if they are digital, how has there not been any sort of hack? ‘Anonymous’ or foreign actors would surely love to have a chance to air the dirty laundry, no?
They already faked a suicide for a dude in prison to keep that info from getting out, that’s a hell of a warning.
Epstein was allowed to kill himself. Someone whispered in his ear that he should do the right thing, hint, hint, or face monstrous consequences.
The monstrous consequences more than death? This is a bad take. Zero people have been arrested and charged with soliciting the humans he sex trafficked. Maxzine gizzwelle is in a Texas prison with special privileges , he is rich and connected he would have been innocent or pardoned eventually.
Probably to keep them legitimate. If leaked nobody would believe them.
Make them release it officially and people might take it seriously.
I don’t know if this is true, but I think it’s because they’re really old. If you look at all of the previous documents, they’re photos of text, emails, and some of them books. They’re not transcribed, so hard to search.
Also, you have to have levels of trust that the docs are real. These have been in a bunch of people’s hands, but who do you send it too where it gets the biggest bang as being legit? NYT isn’t all that trusted. Maybe The Guardian?
But then, you’re also putting your own life on the line. What’s Snowden or Reality up to these days? I can see why it’s complicated.
Reality?
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Winner of what?
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Just seems like there is such universal interest in ‘releasing’ them that something should have leaked by now. You hear the argument about the moon landing or other conspiracy theories that it would take so many people colluding to hide the truth it would be impossible not to leak, how many people have access to “the files”, and if there is a vote to release them, who just pushes the button or whatever to make that happen? (And in no way am I suggesting they are not real and only a conspiracy theory, just giving an analogy)
A lot of the Epstein files has been released. However, there are some things not released. Something I’ll refer people to HR 4405
Now in that, let’s look at section C of that bill:
would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary
This is a big deal, because Judges ordering things to not be release CAN NOT be released no matter who says so. This is a separation of powers thing. A lot of things are withheld from the public because it’s part of various legal cases. The most recent one I can think of is JP Morgan paying out that $290M to victims and there was like some amount paid to the Virgin Islands.
Now the stuff that’s wrapped up by the Judges, if someone leaks any of that, they are going to prison. And the people who are handling those files are very well aware of the consequences of if they say peep about what they’ve seen.
This is the part where people are like “what if Trump destroys some evidence?” Well a lot of that evidence was turned over to the courts during Biden. So if the DoJ suddenly made things start disappearing, it’s not going to match up with what the court already knows about.
Many people already know what’s in these files. They know what’s going to be brought in legal cases. They also know what would happen to them it if they leaked anything they’ve already seen. And a lot of this information has been steady released to the public.
So this brings up, what the fuck is Congress bitching about then? What Congress is attempting to do, is code into law a requirement for the information to released to the public no matter what might be contained, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS AS NOTED IN SECTION C. What this law would do, is not just ensure that justice if done but also ensure that the public is aware of all the details behind the case.
You know how like some court cases will happen and not everything presented in court is released to the public? Well this would codify into law the requirement to release all of that to the public. Of course, AFTER any kind of trial it was used in, if it wasn’t released before a trail began.
So if Trump directs the doj to open an investigation, it shields him from any more files released?
With the names that have already been released, the ringleader dead under mysterious circumstances, and lack of whistleblower protections… I’m assuming no one is stupid enough to leak/hack the files when there are legal paths to release the information (ie FOIA). Groups you cited like Anonymous act when no one else can or will.
These are documents pulled in an investigation and are probably mostly paper (digital was less prevalent during the heyday of his abusive stage). Digital comms were likely less used in commitment of crimes for obvious reasons. Paper documents are rarely digitized unless someone has a reason to disseminate them to others.
My guess is that they’re not particularly outrageous but they are damaging in a nonpartisan way (or else Biden could have released them). Maybe the unreleased information is about Epstein’s work with intelligence agencies, something that neither Democrats nor Republicans would want to release and individuals with access wouldn’t feel a moral obligation to leak.
But that still doesn’t explain why Trump doesn’t just say so without revealing any details - it seems less damaging than total stonewalling.
Would you intentionally piss off Putin/Pinochet/Capone/that one German guy? And for anyone close enough to have access, fear (and billionaire money) reaches across international borders.
