How do you know about the world. Through media. Most of your information is from media, not first hand experiences. Unfortunately for you, the media is full of stuff about the US and only occasionally maybe mentions Finland.
It’s the same sort of disparity as there is with language.
You might as well be saying “you haven’t lived in an English-speaking country so you can’t be fluent in English!”
I started reading English roughly 25-30 years ago. The point being that I was exposed to it ever since I was a kid. And I leaned into learning it. Most of the people in Finland do not have my language skills, albeit everyone has a basic level of English understanding. The same goes for the US.
Or how many States have you been in? All 50? Doubt it. A dozen? Or maybe just a handful of cities?
And you don’t understand our medical system…
I understand your lack of education. Otherwise you might understand, after several times of repeating it, that I actually do know how about your country and it’s systems.
Aside from being bombarded with American news day and night everywhere, I actually go out of my way to watch news shows like Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, but I can already hear you mocking about how “TV isn’t real life”, despite the fact that you get most of your news from it as well. Somehow it’s just iiiimpossible to understand shit like wounds getting treated with literally just sugar in federal prisons. Sure that was a random case but the episode about it gives context on why it’s a good example.
Hell, it’s completely possible that (aside from taxes paid) I’ve done more for the US than any random American I meet online. Just out of my age, so I’ve have been online for quite a while, and the amount of activism I do online. I used to be 9001 times more militant about American global policies and the drug war, but also against Trump ever since he first stood for president. And while you can dismiss online activity as “just [whateverlameexcuse]”, that’s how things progress. By people complaining.
And your meds… Depending on what you need, it could be hundreds of dollars a month, sometimes even with insurance. Without it, there’s no upper limit, many drugs are in the thousands… You’d have to jump through hoops with the drug companies and hope they give you enough of a discount
Do you genuinely think that this is the first I’m hearing of drugs (and healthcare in general) being insanely expensive in the US? You genuinely think I wouldn’t understand a meme about Americans avoiding taking an ambulance even when they’re very much in need? You think I’d just go… “I don’t get the joke o.o”?
And if you weren’t, you’d be just as alone
You don’t know me at all. I make friends extremely easily, alway have. The thing here is "you have NO IDEA* about Finnish culture, because the only time you’ve been exposed to it is some random henchman in a movie where an action hero is going/coming from Russia. And they never even bother to get anyone who actually speaks Finnish, it’s always gibberish or extremely poorly pronounced. (Imagine a deep southern accent someone trying to read Chinese without understanding the tones at all and you’ll get close to what it sounds like to us).
You don’t understand that I’ve chosen to avoid the people who won’t stand up to injustice. And that’s about the only criteria I have in adulthood. But for instance an American does not understand what it means to smoke weed in Finland.
It’s essentially similar to being gay in an extremely conservative and religious small town. You’ll get treated as the worst cock-sucking crack whore just for saying “I don’t think weed should be illegal.” And that is not an exaggeration I’m pulling out of my arse. If you understood Finnish I could share phonecalls with medical professionals who basically say that smoking weed on the weekends is literally as bad as shooting up heroine. One refused to give me meds, saying “you’ll just sell these for drug money”. One of the friends whom I grew up with, whom I have carried out of several parties, from one in a rolled up mat with him in the center, with his vomit all over. Like some sort of disgusting man-kebab.
Also, if I had lived in the US, I would’ve actually had the chance to do school at my speed. Which was way faster than the other kids. And you don’t understand it coming from a culture which so values individuality and individual achievement, but in Finland you’re not allowed to be better than others at basic education. I was literally held back because the others weren’t as fast. I taught myself how to read (no joke) at the age of five. So at the age of 7 in first year the teacher put me in an empty classroom by myself, saying “sit here and read” while others learned their letters.
Most Finns actively avoid people as sociable as me, but in the US I’d probably be on the introverted side of the spectrum.
I say I would be dead or in prison, but I also could just be making it big, as I would’ve definitely got a scholarship to a good school. I had a 9.3/10 (scale 4-10 4 is F 10 is A+) GPA when leaving basic education. What you’d call a straight A student. And I didn’t even apply myself, because I didn’t have to. I kept learning next year’s shit from my older brothers books.
I could be in jail for weed. I could be in a state where it’s legal. Could be that I would’ve been bakruptred, or could be I’d be an ace surgeon. (I’m not that interested in surgery tbh, but I was good at dissecting animals, our biology teacher said I was the first student in 20 years to extract a perch’s swimbladder without puncturing it and literally said “you’d make a great surgeon”. Couldn’t chase that either as mom forced us to love move that year and had to remake all friends and none of the teachers knew me and it was a way shittier school.)
Anyway, you’re making assumptions which even I can’t say about myself. The reason I say dead or in prison is because I wouldn’t put up with the bullshit politics and wouldve either been tossed to jail for weed or activism or some such. But in the US , I wouldn’t be alone with my sentiment. That’s why you so enshrine your rights. You actually have a sense of justice. Finns don’t. Finns merely follow rules instead of ever considering how moral or necessary the rules even are.
You can go to a city in Finland during the night when no-one is around for miles, and people will stop at a pedestrian red light, even for intersections that are clearly clear for hundreds of feet.
And I say feet, because I understand feet as well, but I don’t think you have as good a grasp on metric as I do for imperial units. Might be I’m wrong. But seeing how little empathy you show, I’m pretty sure I’m not.
The why I do it is kinda simple. The idea of America, the American dream, or whatever, is — however subjectively — kind of a cool idea. It’s a continuation of what the French started a few centuries ago, and it was going relatively well until somewhat recently. (Like, say, post 9-11.) And would you believe it I can remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11. I don’t think you can say the same thing for anything that has ever happened to a Finnish person or relating to Finland.
But if you want hope, and to build political momentum, you have to convince people something better is possible. And perfect or not, the Nordic model exists
Yes, and the Nordic model isn’t the fantasy you have in your head anymore than a Whopper actually looks like the ad pictures for it.
I’m telling you you don’t have an idea of the pathological avoidance pretty much built into Finnish society. Hell, it’s in the very language. We don’t have gendered words or even gender-specific pronouns. And while we have a gender-neutral pronoun, we still often default to referring to people as “se”, which translates as “it”. Only really pets and formal situations does one use the proper third person pronoun “hän”.
On a personal level, the best advice I can give you is to fight
Oh wow. What a revelation my man. Wow. Crazy that it never occurred to my. Wow. All I needed to do is “fight” yeah, that’ll change the entire social fabric of Finland. Just like if you want, you can just get everyone to admit that the 2A is a garbage law only there to perpetuate the American military-industrial complex instead of having anything to do with actually having “a well regulated militia” in order to oppose tyranny. You’re living under tyranny right now and aside from Luigi, I ain’t seen no-one doing jack shit about it.
See how the language there sounded a little different? That’s because I actually know that despite learning in school that double negatives shouldn’t be used, if one is emulating colloquial speech, one would or at least could employ double negatives as emphasis for a positive. Because again, I don’t need to have lived in the US for that. Idk where you live or how much you travel, but you can probably do at least NY, Cali and deep south accents on a very stereotypical level. So can I. It’s not exactly rocket science. And whilst you live closer to those places, unless you’ve lived several years in each, you’re also mostly drawing on the media.
So I don’t know why you keep pretending like your systems are some grand secret. Feels a bit like Americans who yell loudly (in English) abroad to make themselves “easily understood” when literally everyone can speak English. (Yes, I did just use “literally” as emphasis instead of it’s literal sense.)
The Finnish Supreme Court ruled that I was in the right and that the police limited my freedom of speech illegally when stopping me from filming them when they illegally entered my apartment. In the US, I’d have made millions off that. Here I didn’t even get a letter saying I won. Read it off the news.
Also, if I had lived in the US, I would’ve actually had the chance to do school at my speed. Which was way faster than the other kid
Are you born rich? Because otherwise that’s a fantasy. We are not a meritocracy, no matter how hard we pretend. It doesn’t work that way
And I don’t even know where to start with the rest of this… I’m on my phone and can’t clip you point by point
But you think you’d make it big? Of course you fucking wouldn’t. No one does. That’s literally impossible. Even last one of our movie and music stars come from money. Every last one of them
Have you ever spoken to homeless people? I have. I make a point of doing it. I’ve slept alongside them, I’ve shared meals. Not through media, but through human connection. And they’ve both been insanely generous and tried to steal from me
Holy projection Batman, you haven’t seen what I’ve seen, not through media, but first-hand.
My job used to be driving them around and my mom’s a social worker, so yeah. I have. Believe it or not, there are homeless people in Finland despite us having less of them and us not letting them starve en-masse on the streets, but don’t shit yourself that Finns think like that. We got libertarians as well, thanks to all the libertarian BS Murica has pushed. I’ve got into a fight with a guy because he literally honestly genuinely meant that homelessness is a choice.
You prolly know how untrue that is?
Of course you fucking wouldn’t. No one does. That’s literally impossible.
Ah I see you’ve gone with the same “using ‘literally’ for emphasis instead of literally literally” tactic.
So there’s no rich people in the US? Approximately 7-8.5% of Americans are literally literally millionaires, but “no-one makes it big”.
And you stand by that statement, instead of admitting it’s grotesque exaggeration?
Is it easier to win big if you get a “small loan of a million dollars”? Ofc it fucking is. Same shit works here. The dipshits who didn’t understand jack shit in school but were born with gold spoons up their arses exist here just like in America.
There’s much more a roof against becoming rich through labour. That was my original point. Same shit work’s with schools. The reason I wasn’t allowed to skip a class is because I’m not allowed to make the rich kids parents feel bad for having a kid who isn’t as cognitively gifted. Can’t be that poor people succeed!
But yeah, I was actually born into the upper-middle class. We’re one of the more known families from my town. Very central during early and mid 1900’s but then my grandpa died in the 90’s and dad drank everything then died himself.
Mom and dad broke up because of it. I ended up having to change schools several times as mom moved around. You know how it’s a meme parents want their kids to go to a good school? Well I was literally in one of the best schools in Finland and one of the best students there. Mom didn’t give a second thought. Also I’m one of four siblings, so that divided her attention.
I moved away from my mom’s at 15. Wbu?
Most of your experiences are still through media, even when your most impactful ones were in-person. I don’t think I ever even implied otherwise. Reading comprehension my man. I know US has low literacy but still.
Just like we’re mine. And if you think Finland doesn’t have depraved drug abusers, I could write another 3 full comments showing how you’re wrong, but prolly easier for you to watch this trailer of a documentary Reindeerspotting — Pako Joulumaasta (Escape from Santaland) . And those kids are still very healthy when they’re filming. I’ve known people like that after they’ve come out of prison. One of my neighbours was a murderer. Then someone stole a half a k of meth from the basement cellar storage I also had a key to. And he knew it. And was methed up.
But even he isn’t the most depraved by miles.
Just because our druggies to hang out in the streets, you keep on insisting we don’t have any.
You’re literally just comparing and comparing, when I keep telling you you can’t, because don’t know anything about Finland. But I can compare them, because I know about Finland for living here, and I hear about the US because western media. You don’t hear about Finland. That’s just what the facts are.
Who the fuck has said anything about the US being a meritocracy? I haven’t said Finland is authoritarian either. I’ve said it’s more authoritarian than it has been. Comparatively.
Just like in comparison to Finland, US is more meritocratic than Finland, despite not being a meritocracy per se.
The requirements are academic preparation (testing ahead in all subjects), emotional maturity and motivation. I got 3/3. When other kids were learning their ABC’s, I was browsing thick tomes of dictionaries, giggling at the funny (and magical seeming) Latin names for things. I didn’t like being put into daycare even before going to school, and I was mature enough, so my mom (a trained social worker) left me alone in the house and came to check on me during lunch. I just sat and read. (Mostly comics, not always something to learn but for fun).
And for motivation? Well I had taught myself how to read. Answer I gave an independence day speech that was meant to be read by a sixth grader (the oldest class in lower basic education).
We don’t have skipping grades. If we did, I definitely would’ve been allowed to.
This is what I mean by you not understanding. You think you do, you want us to be on an equal footing. But we’re not.
Mä voin vaihtaa kieltä ja sun pitää ottaa AI käyttöö et pystyt edes ymmärtämää mua. Mut silti luulet jotenkin et mä ymmärrän yhtä vähän sun yhteiskunnasta kun sä mun.
Just not true. The US is in the spotlight, has been since WWII at least, and unfortunately while the audience can see the person in the spotlight, the person in the spotlight can’t see the dark audience from the bright lights. This is much like that. You think we’re just like a slightly different America. We’re not. There are things you don’t understand that you don’t understand, and I don’t know how to make you understand that.
So now you’re just pretending you weren’t wrong at all.
You have skipping grades as a concept and practice with rules and laws.
We don’t.
In the nicest way possible, I think you might have brain damage.
I do understand. Again, I’m very well versed in what it’s like in America. You’re still pretending as if most of your experiences aren’t relayed by types of media. And that I somehow don’t have access to this arcane knowledge about the US.
You could just as well be arguing that I just don’t speak English because it’s not the language I first learned. I haven’t lived in an English speaking country or ever even been in one for weeks, let alone years. Yet I’m completely fluent. Hell, the last time I checked, some 10-15 years ago, I had a larger vocabulary than 52% of native speakers.
Yet you childishly keep insisting there’s something I don’t understand.
“No no, you don’t get it. America has expensive drugs, you haven’t ever heard of how much we spend on drugs.”
“We have homeless people!”
Yes, you also have a military-industrial complex, you’re fucking over your veterans, your cops are murderers, there’s still tons of institutional racism, sexism, ableism, your leader is an ever-lying failure of a businessman who’s going senile and is owned by Putler, two thirds of your population are obese, literacy is like 79%, you have the largest prison population in the world despite not being even close to having the most people, roughly 1% of your adult population is in prison, which too often are for-profit prisons which are the only way America is clinging to any sort of cheap labour blabalablablabla blabla bla i could go on for days. What exactly don’t I understand? Your lack of empathy?
Honestly, depending on how old you are, I’ve could have been exposed to American news more than you, despite living in another country. That is if you’re like in your early twenties.
Do you remember where you were during 9/11? You never answered.
But you have no idea
It’s you who keeps having no idea, despite constantly been proved wrong.
Yes. I very much do.
How do you know about the world. Through media. Most of your information is from media, not first hand experiences. Unfortunately for you, the media is full of stuff about the US and only occasionally maybe mentions Finland.
It’s the same sort of disparity as there is with language.
You might as well be saying “you haven’t lived in an English-speaking country so you can’t be fluent in English!”
I started reading English roughly 25-30 years ago. The point being that I was exposed to it ever since I was a kid. And I leaned into learning it. Most of the people in Finland do not have my language skills, albeit everyone has a basic level of English understanding. The same goes for the US.
Or how many States have you been in? All 50? Doubt it. A dozen? Or maybe just a handful of cities?
I understand your lack of education. Otherwise you might understand, after several times of repeating it, that I actually do know how about your country and it’s systems.
Aside from being bombarded with American news day and night everywhere, I actually go out of my way to watch news shows like Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, but I can already hear you mocking about how “TV isn’t real life”, despite the fact that you get most of your news from it as well. Somehow it’s just iiiimpossible to understand shit like wounds getting treated with literally just sugar in federal prisons. Sure that was a random case but the episode about it gives context on why it’s a good example.
Hell, it’s completely possible that (aside from taxes paid) I’ve done more for the US than any random American I meet online. Just out of my age, so I’ve have been online for quite a while, and the amount of activism I do online. I used to be 9001 times more militant about American global policies and the drug war, but also against Trump ever since he first stood for president. And while you can dismiss online activity as “just [whateverlameexcuse]”, that’s how things progress. By people complaining.
Do you genuinely think that this is the first I’m hearing of drugs (and healthcare in general) being insanely expensive in the US? You genuinely think I wouldn’t understand a meme about Americans avoiding taking an ambulance even when they’re very much in need? You think I’d just go… “I don’t get the joke o.o”?
You don’t know me at all. I make friends extremely easily, alway have. The thing here is "you have NO IDEA* about Finnish culture, because the only time you’ve been exposed to it is some random henchman in a movie where an action hero is going/coming from Russia. And they never even bother to get anyone who actually speaks Finnish, it’s always gibberish or extremely poorly pronounced. (Imagine a deep southern accent someone trying to read Chinese without understanding the tones at all and you’ll get close to what it sounds like to us).
You don’t understand that I’ve chosen to avoid the people who won’t stand up to injustice. And that’s about the only criteria I have in adulthood. But for instance an American does not understand what it means to smoke weed in Finland.
It’s essentially similar to being gay in an extremely conservative and religious small town. You’ll get treated as the worst cock-sucking crack whore just for saying “I don’t think weed should be illegal.” And that is not an exaggeration I’m pulling out of my arse. If you understood Finnish I could share phonecalls with medical professionals who basically say that smoking weed on the weekends is literally as bad as shooting up heroine. One refused to give me meds, saying “you’ll just sell these for drug money”. One of the friends whom I grew up with, whom I have carried out of several parties, from one in a rolled up mat with him in the center, with his vomit all over. Like some sort of disgusting man-kebab.
Also, if I had lived in the US, I would’ve actually had the chance to do school at my speed. Which was way faster than the other kids. And you don’t understand it coming from a culture which so values individuality and individual achievement, but in Finland you’re not allowed to be better than others at basic education. I was literally held back because the others weren’t as fast. I taught myself how to read (no joke) at the age of five. So at the age of 7 in first year the teacher put me in an empty classroom by myself, saying “sit here and read” while others learned their letters.
Most Finns actively avoid people as sociable as me, but in the US I’d probably be on the introverted side of the spectrum.
I say I would be dead or in prison, but I also could just be making it big, as I would’ve definitely got a scholarship to a good school. I had a 9.3/10 (scale 4-10 4 is F 10 is A+) GPA when leaving basic education. What you’d call a straight A student. And I didn’t even apply myself, because I didn’t have to. I kept learning next year’s shit from my older brothers books.
I could be in jail for weed. I could be in a state where it’s legal. Could be that I would’ve been bakruptred, or could be I’d be an ace surgeon. (I’m not that interested in surgery tbh, but I was good at dissecting animals, our biology teacher said I was the first student in 20 years to extract a perch’s swimbladder without puncturing it and literally said “you’d make a great surgeon”. Couldn’t chase that either as mom forced us to love move that year and had to remake all friends and none of the teachers knew me and it was a way shittier school.)
Anyway, you’re making assumptions which even I can’t say about myself. The reason I say dead or in prison is because I wouldn’t put up with the bullshit politics and wouldve either been tossed to jail for weed or activism or some such. But in the US , I wouldn’t be alone with my sentiment. That’s why you so enshrine your rights. You actually have a sense of justice. Finns don’t. Finns merely follow rules instead of ever considering how moral or necessary the rules even are.
You can go to a city in Finland during the night when no-one is around for miles, and people will stop at a pedestrian red light, even for intersections that are clearly clear for hundreds of feet.
And I say feet, because I understand feet as well, but I don’t think you have as good a grasp on metric as I do for imperial units. Might be I’m wrong. But seeing how little empathy you show, I’m pretty sure I’m not.
The why I do it is kinda simple. The idea of America, the American dream, or whatever, is — however subjectively — kind of a cool idea. It’s a continuation of what the French started a few centuries ago, and it was going relatively well until somewhat recently. (Like, say, post 9-11.) And would you believe it I can remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11. I don’t think you can say the same thing for anything that has ever happened to a Finnish person or relating to Finland.
Yes, and the Nordic model isn’t the fantasy you have in your head anymore than a Whopper actually looks like the ad pictures for it.
I’m telling you you don’t have an idea of the pathological avoidance pretty much built into Finnish society. Hell, it’s in the very language. We don’t have gendered words or even gender-specific pronouns. And while we have a gender-neutral pronoun, we still often default to referring to people as “se”, which translates as “it”. Only really pets and formal situations does one use the proper third person pronoun “hän”.
Oh wow. What a revelation my man. Wow. Crazy that it never occurred to my. Wow. All I needed to do is “fight” yeah, that’ll change the entire social fabric of Finland. Just like if you want, you can just get everyone to admit that the 2A is a garbage law only there to perpetuate the American military-industrial complex instead of having anything to do with actually having “a well regulated militia” in order to oppose tyranny. You’re living under tyranny right now and aside from Luigi, I ain’t seen no-one doing jack shit about it.
See how the language there sounded a little different? That’s because I actually know that despite learning in school that double negatives shouldn’t be used, if one is emulating colloquial speech, one would or at least could employ double negatives as emphasis for a positive. Because again, I don’t need to have lived in the US for that. Idk where you live or how much you travel, but you can probably do at least NY, Cali and deep south accents on a very stereotypical level. So can I. It’s not exactly rocket science. And whilst you live closer to those places, unless you’ve lived several years in each, you’re also mostly drawing on the media.
So I don’t know why you keep pretending like your systems are some grand secret. Feels a bit like Americans who yell loudly (in English) abroad to make themselves “easily understood” when literally everyone can speak English. (Yes, I did just use “literally” as emphasis instead of it’s literal sense.)
https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
The Finnish Supreme Court ruled that I was in the right and that the police limited my freedom of speech illegally when stopping me from filming them when they illegally entered my apartment. In the US, I’d have made millions off that. Here I didn’t even get a letter saying I won. Read it off the news.
Are you born rich? Because otherwise that’s a fantasy. We are not a meritocracy, no matter how hard we pretend. It doesn’t work that way
And I don’t even know where to start with the rest of this… I’m on my phone and can’t clip you point by point
But you think you’d make it big? Of course you fucking wouldn’t. No one does. That’s literally impossible. Even last one of our movie and music stars come from money. Every last one of them
Have you ever spoken to homeless people? I have. I make a point of doing it. I’ve slept alongside them, I’ve shared meals. Not through media, but through human connection. And they’ve both been insanely generous and tried to steal from me
Holy projection Batman, you haven’t seen what I’ve seen, not through media, but first-hand.
Have you ever spoken to homeless people?
My job used to be driving them around and my mom’s a social worker, so yeah. I have. Believe it or not, there are homeless people in Finland despite us having less of them and us not letting them starve en-masse on the streets, but don’t shit yourself that Finns think like that. We got libertarians as well, thanks to all the libertarian BS Murica has pushed. I’ve got into a fight with a guy because he literally honestly genuinely meant that homelessness is a choice.
You prolly know how untrue that is?
Ah I see you’ve gone with the same “using ‘literally’ for emphasis instead of literally literally” tactic.
So there’s no rich people in the US? Approximately 7-8.5% of Americans are literally literally millionaires, but “no-one makes it big”.
And you stand by that statement, instead of admitting it’s grotesque exaggeration?
Is it easier to win big if you get a “small loan of a million dollars”? Ofc it fucking is. Same shit works here. The dipshits who didn’t understand jack shit in school but were born with gold spoons up their arses exist here just like in America.
There’s much more a roof against becoming rich through labour. That was my original point. Same shit work’s with schools. The reason I wasn’t allowed to skip a class is because I’m not allowed to make the rich kids parents feel bad for having a kid who isn’t as cognitively gifted. Can’t be that poor people succeed!
But yeah, I was actually born into the upper-middle class. We’re one of the more known families from my town. Very central during early and mid 1900’s but then my grandpa died in the 90’s and dad drank everything then died himself.
Mom and dad broke up because of it. I ended up having to change schools several times as mom moved around. You know how it’s a meme parents want their kids to go to a good school? Well I was literally in one of the best schools in Finland and one of the best students there. Mom didn’t give a second thought. Also I’m one of four siblings, so that divided her attention.
I moved away from my mom’s at 15. Wbu?
Most of your experiences are still through media, even when your most impactful ones were in-person. I don’t think I ever even implied otherwise. Reading comprehension my man. I know US has low literacy but still.
Just like we’re mine. And if you think Finland doesn’t have depraved drug abusers, I could write another 3 full comments showing how you’re wrong, but prolly easier for you to watch this trailer of a documentary Reindeerspotting — Pako Joulumaasta (Escape from Santaland) . And those kids are still very healthy when they’re filming. I’ve known people like that after they’ve come out of prison. One of my neighbours was a murderer. Then someone stole a half a k of meth from the basement cellar storage I also had a key to. And he knew it. And was methed up.
But even he isn’t the most depraved by miles.
Just because our druggies to hang out in the streets, you keep on insisting we don’t have any.
You’re literally just comparing and comparing, when I keep telling you you can’t, because don’t know anything about Finland. But I can compare them, because I know about Finland for living here, and I hear about the US because western media. You don’t hear about Finland. That’s just what the facts are.
Who the fuck has said anything about the US being a meritocracy? I haven’t said Finland is authoritarian either. I’ve said it’s more authoritarian than it has been. Comparatively.
Just like in comparison to Finland, US is more meritocratic than Finland, despite not being a meritocracy per se.
You have a thing called whole grade acceleration or in plain English; “skipping a grade.”
The requirements are academic preparation (testing ahead in all subjects), emotional maturity and motivation. I got 3/3. When other kids were learning their ABC’s, I was browsing thick tomes of dictionaries, giggling at the funny (and magical seeming) Latin names for things. I didn’t like being put into daycare even before going to school, and I was mature enough, so my mom (a trained social worker) left me alone in the house and came to check on me during lunch. I just sat and read. (Mostly comics, not always something to learn but for fun).
And for motivation? Well I had taught myself how to read. Answer I gave an independence day speech that was meant to be read by a sixth grader (the oldest class in lower basic education).
We don’t have skipping grades. If we did, I definitely would’ve been allowed to.
This is what I mean by you not understanding. You think you do, you want us to be on an equal footing. But we’re not.
Mä voin vaihtaa kieltä ja sun pitää ottaa AI käyttöö et pystyt edes ymmärtämää mua. Mut silti luulet jotenkin et mä ymmärrän yhtä vähän sun yhteiskunnasta kun sä mun.
Just not true. The US is in the spotlight, has been since WWII at least, and unfortunately while the audience can see the person in the spotlight, the person in the spotlight can’t see the dark audience from the bright lights. This is much like that. You think we’re just like a slightly different America. We’re not. There are things you don’t understand that you don’t understand, and I don’t know how to make you understand that.
Perhaps Rumsfeld will have better luck;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_unknown_unknowns
I don’t know how to say this in a nicer way… You don’t understand the society you’ve never lived under, no one truly does
As far as outcomes and metrics, you live in a world I wished I lived in. I don’t think it’s perfect, I agree it’s full of problems
But you really don’t understand. Tens of millions are going to die over the next decade if we don’t have radical change.
I’m sorry you fell through the cracks. I really am. It’s not right. But you have no idea how much worse it could be
So now you’re just pretending you weren’t wrong at all.
You have skipping grades as a concept and practice with rules and laws.
We don’t.
In the nicest way possible, I think you might have brain damage.
I do understand. Again, I’m very well versed in what it’s like in America. You’re still pretending as if most of your experiences aren’t relayed by types of media. And that I somehow don’t have access to this arcane knowledge about the US.
You could just as well be arguing that I just don’t speak English because it’s not the language I first learned. I haven’t lived in an English speaking country or ever even been in one for weeks, let alone years. Yet I’m completely fluent. Hell, the last time I checked, some 10-15 years ago, I had a larger vocabulary than 52% of native speakers.
Yet you childishly keep insisting there’s something I don’t understand.
“No no, you don’t get it. America has expensive drugs, you haven’t ever heard of how much we spend on drugs.”
“We have homeless people!”
Yes, you also have a military-industrial complex, you’re fucking over your veterans, your cops are murderers, there’s still tons of institutional racism, sexism, ableism, your leader is an ever-lying failure of a businessman who’s going senile and is owned by Putler, two thirds of your population are obese, literacy is like 79%, you have the largest prison population in the world despite not being even close to having the most people, roughly 1% of your adult population is in prison, which too often are for-profit prisons which are the only way America is clinging to any sort of cheap labour blabalablablabla blabla bla i could go on for days. What exactly don’t I understand? Your lack of empathy?
Honestly, depending on how old you are, I’ve could have been exposed to American news more than you, despite living in another country. That is if you’re like in your early twenties.
Do you remember where you were during 9/11? You never answered.
It’s you who keeps having no idea, despite constantly been proved wrong.