I am tired of this world, these people. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.
Who’s ready to send there kids off to war to die for oil, I mean freedom? 🫲🍊🫱
The Gulf War was about kicking Iraq out of Kuwait, after Iraq invaded. It had a wide support, both worldwide and within the Arab world. Saudi Arabia and Egypt actively participated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
Check the coalition drop down.
Iraq invaded Kuwait because economic collapse and oil disputes thinking the west won’t go to war for this emirate.
Don’t come citing the deep magic, I was there when it was written.
How Americans don’t take this as a sign that their electoralism is always bound for failure will forever remain a mystery to me. You emerge from the fallout of Republican leaders by voting democrats and joyously claim, “the storm has passed” and “we should never repeat these mistakes”. Come 8 or so years and a Republican is re-elected.
How have you guys not en masse realized that democratic reign is merely a refractory period for Republican governance? Why have you not organized and promoted other parties? The greens are slow and will take a lot of work to build, but Rome wasn’t built in a day. This cycle will continue until you’ve en masse woken up to the real contradictions driving your politics.
Spiel over!
our constitution is intentionally structured to favor the wants and needs of capital holders instead of the working people
Do you think Americans were not bombing brown people when Democrats were in power? Didn’t Obama get a Nobel Peace Prize while having a top score in drone kill strikes? Lol. The empire is evil and murderous, regardless of who’s playing the part of the leader.
We aren’t both-sidesing this, are we?
Obama was a breath of fresh air on the international stage and widely respected, globally for good reason. It was clear to anyone paying even half attention that he was confronting powerful forces.
Couple points of fact to mention:
- Obama used drone strikes, yes.
- These Drone Strikes are orders of magnitude more precise with far less collateral damage than traditional warfare strategies used by his predecessors.
- Obama passed an executive order making these drone strikes transparent to the public, understanding the danger.
- Trump came in and reversed that transparency, making them classified.
- Obama’s civilian death toll is significantly less than Trump’s first term alone.
By the way:
- Nearly all dissenting opinions on Iraq and Afghanistan originated from Democrats or Independents who caucused with Democrats for good reason.
- Nearly all later dissent came from this side as well.
- A Democrat is the one who actually got us out of Iraq
- A Democrat is the one who actually got us out of Afghanistan
- A Democrat is the one who actually stayed on task to eliminate Bin Laden.
Republicans start wars; Democrats usually get them out. Perfect? No. But there is a very, very clear trend.
Getting tired of seeing this false equivalence nonsense.
Yeah, Obama ran cover for his predecessor’s war crimes too. Adopted his policies. Made them his own, accelerated them.
Before Biden, Obama had the record of most deportations per term. Biden actually built Trump’s border wall, and beat Obama’s deportation record.
I’m tired of pretending the centrist, corporate Democrats are “left” of anything but Nazis.
There is not a single quantifiable mark you can place that Republicans aren’t exceedingly worse on, in every respect. The two proverbial poisons are nowhere near equal potency; and it always amuses me that these armchair leaders would’ve reacted especially nobly if they were in the hot-seat and privy to the intelligence Obama was. I look forward to their run for office.
Deportation number is irrelevant; the methodology is of course what matters. Obama prioritized violent offenders, for example; he also did not separate mothers from children the same way Trump did. Literally no pro-immigrant advocacy group would trade what Biden or Obama did for what Trump is doing right now.
MuH BoTh SiDes false equivalence fallacies are easy for the mind to comprehend, but when you actually examine with any particular depth and nuance, they tend to fall apart.
There is not a single quantifiable mark you can place that Republicans aren’t exceedingly worse on, in every respect
And Democrats rush to accept their terms without considering the voters, any principles, or even practicality.
They haven’t had a real primary for the Presidential candidate since 2008. Here is your one Mark. I’m begrudged to give the Red Team that much, but your Blue Team is what it is.
Its not a false equivalence to say the following: yes, your shit team is better than literal Nazis, but that’s still not calling anyone good.
What are your thoughts on Mamdani? Are you a “Blue No Matter Who” voter in this context, or only without him? If Democrats want to win, he’s got a model that works. I’m scared that the party insiders demand Ezra Klein’s Reaganism repackaged in New Age “law of attraction”-pretending-to-be-Economics.
What are your thoughts on Mamdani? Are you a “Blue No Matter Who” voter in this context, or only without him? If Democrats want to win, he’s got a model that works. I’m scared that the party insiders demand Ezra Klein’s Reaganism repackaged in New Age “law of attraction”-pretending-to-be-Economics.
Couldn’t agree more, honestly. I am pretty progressive-left and have much criticism of Democrats, much like Sanders or AOC do. I embrace the Fight Oligarchy movement; I denounce the Third Way enlightened centrism at every turn. Schumer, Jeffries, Martin need to go. Pelosi’s seat needs to be taken by Chakrabarti and not some AIPAC centrist puppet. Major reforms must happen between now and through Primaries season. And yes, I absolutely cheer Mamdani on and hope he suceeds. Agreed, Ezra is basically as useless as Bill Maher.
But years ago I swear to fuck I was one of the first to use the term Pragmatic Progressive" title, in noting that I would vote for Sanders but vote for Hillary and vote for several other candidates ahead of Harris or Biden in 2020, but still vote for Biden; still voted for Harris even though I wished for something different. Why? Because the reality is that in a binary choice election — and my ultimate point in this discussion on Biden and Obama — they were objectively, logically, by every qualitative and quantifiable measure the better choice. I do not subscribe to the deeply selfish ideologies of accelerationism or nihilism that would see others like my children or anyone else’s suffer as a sacrifice to meet another’s ends, either.
I of course am not alone in that damage-control assessment; after all, the likes of Bernie and AOC adhere to the same principle.
I apologize for coming out strong on this. I’ve just seen so many people try to act like Obama wasn’t a genuinely good person trying to do his best but confronting forces or failing, versus someone is genuinely pathologically evil and psychopathic, like Trump.
Obama was awarded the Nobel only nine months into his first term, so he hadn’t really had the chance to rack up the requisite number of war crimes to be awarded the peace prize.
They believed in him and, from what I recall, he did his job thoroughly (something like 500+ drone strikes? Wasn’t there one at a wedding too?). Yes we can! 😂 These people are fucking monsters, lol.
And then came trump, in first weeks, tripling the rate of drone bombing kills, and to solve that, he ordered the publishing of drone bombing stats be silenced. So now both sides in the purple party bubble can think their side the angels. … Or at least, lesser evils. Ready to give their vote to evil come the next pseudo-election, with a clean conscience, as the candidates furnish their minds with fresh promises of ending wars, and so on…
… Something’s broken in people’s brains for continuing to fall for it.
This was about starting wars for oil though
Oil, regime change, minerals, or simply to feed the MIC, all are valid reasons for America/the West to go ahead and murder innocents unscrupulously. 😔
Nobody was saying that though
Sure, but does the reason matter when Americans murder all year round regardless? It’s for power, that’s all, and Republicans are horrible, disgusting people, sure, but for the rest of the world Dems are basically the same since they also have innocent blood on their hands. This “when Reps are in everything is shit but not when Dems are in” is part of the issue in America. The reality is that the ideological basis of America is fucked, always was, a group of self-centered violent maniacs who believe in nothing but their own comfort and have historically behaved like murderous beasts, and it doesn’t change because you have some charming brown dude in power instead of some decrepit blond dude with jowls.
I mean it matters when it comes to this particular meme
Okay okay, fair enough. 👍
I had previous learned that we will run out of oil soon. It seems this is not the scientific consensus - it’s just that known reserves will run out in about 50 years. In other words, this meme can repeat itself ad nauseam. We should look at every US geopolitical strategy or even statement through this lens. Greenland? Canada? Oil!
Thanks to the improvements in efficiency and price fluctuations that allowed shale oil extraction and the like, as well as new exploration, for all intents and purposes, we still have a basically unlimited amount of oil.
When oil gets expensive, it justifies infrastructure that was previously economically unfeasible and not part of our reserves. And once that infrastructure is in place, the price can still go down and it can sustain itself. Is it really unlimited? Absolutely not. But innovation and economics have stretched what’s available to a level of surprising longevity.
At this rate of price fluctuation and investment, in 300 years we will be extracting the oil from your facial pores and still have a “50 year reserve”.
It’s kinda a neat thing if it wasn’t for all the shitty side effects, tbh.
And since BASF already invented methods to revert plastic to oil, if the price is right, we wouldn’t even need oil anymore, just trash.
BASF, the ones making my video tapes?
Yes, actually.
Are they? I mean the large petrochemical company from Germany
I know, I’m just joking about many people remembering them from C- and VHS cassettes.
Within weeks we constructed a pipeline
Within years we’ll have run the place dry
It’ll just about last us our lifetime
So it’s hip hip hoorays and high fiveshttps://genius.com/Kaiser-chiefs-cannons-lyrics
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9wg4V38p2gAccording to patent whistle blower Tom Valone, by the year 2000 there had already been over 3000 free energy device patents secreted.
Throughout the past century, we could have been producing abundant hempseed and hemp biomass to make hemp based plastics, oil fuels, alcohol fuels, graphene based photovoltaics and capacitor bank batteries and more, (all while cleaning the soil, feeding ourselves and farm animals, clothing ourselves without pesticides etc, and cleaning the air,) if not for what Bernays, Anslinger, and Hearst did to us.
We never needed be hog-tied to crude oil. Probably could have found something better to do with it than burn it. Probably wise to not fall for scarcity-rumour scams to drive up prices either.
We have so much headroom without these [ecocidal, mass-murdering, slaver] crooks.
free energy device
Pity. Apart from that you have some good arguments.
free energy device
Pity. Apart from that you have some good arguments.
You have some refutation to what Tom Valone said?
Or just presuming the prevailing dogma’s true that such is impossible?
I have no idea who that is but I, for one, will presume the prevailing science that such is impossible.
I have no idea who that is
as mentioned a couple comments back in this thread:
According to patent whistle blower Tom Valone, by the year 2000 there had already been over 3000 free energy device patents secreted.
Heh, oops, just noticed that should have read “patent office whistle blower”. ~ Not like that was the problem preventing knowing who that is.
prevailing science
lol. following science are you? XD
I’ll do similarly, and presume that’s impossible. Just like sticking a feather up your butt doesn’t make you a chicken.
I hope Biden runs again in 2028 to fix this back up.
I hope that’s a joke; the elderly shouldn’t be in charge.
obama will really break thier minds, if trump runs a 3rd time, so can he.
He might be a zombie by then. It would still be a step up.
Missed a bit
The 1980s were another big part of this trend.
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This one isn’t for oil. It’s regime change. They want Maduro out and a right-winger in.
Yes you are right … regime change … so that the US can install their own puppet leader … so that the US can get to the oil
That comment’s argument had a “states rights” kind of vibe
All the comments here have a “It’s my first year of college and I just read Marx for the first time and now I know everything” kind of vibe
Wowie you sure showed them
Oh they’ll install all of the rigs while doing the regime change at the same time like last time.
Lol … they’ll rig the political landscape as well as the actual landscape
It’s definitely for oil. Trump already said that they are taking back the oil and mineral wealth that was stolen from him in Venezuela.
Regime change is always about setting up a “banana” republic when the
isUS is involved.Rubio has an ideological vendetta against leftist SA governments. He’s not doing this for a corporation.
oh you sweet, summer child
Eh. It can be multiple things. The Second Iraq War was about oil, but it was also about W. having a personal grudge against Saddam. Saddam at one point tried to have Bush Sr. assassinated, and Jr. had it out for him as a consequence. Plus it was for political purposes, both to drum up the base at home and to assist Israel abroad. It was about all of those things. Wars are never caused by just a single reason. Oil was absolutely a powerful factor, perhaps the most powerful. But it’s overly reductive to simply say it was about oil. Launching a war requires getting a lot of stakeholders on board. And not everyone will have the same motivations. The Zionist faction wanted Iraq toppled to help Israel, but they have no particular concern for oil. The oil industry folks wanted Iraqi oil, but money-hungry CEOs don’t really care about throwing red meat to the Fox News crowd. Launching a big war requires a coalition, even if just the Republican coalition. Wars always thus have many motivations behind them.
Trump doesn’t have the political capital for boots on the ground in Venezuela, so this one is likely going to be a flop. The MAGA base is too anti-interventionist now. Susie Wiles told Vanity Fair that the administration is just going to harass ships until Maduro cries uncle and agrees to step down, which won’t happen. I’m sure Rubio would like to get our military more involved, but it doesn’t seem likely.
The MAGA base is too anti-interventionist now.
The MAGA base will think anything that Newsmax, OANN, and Fox tells them. I’ve seen it happen in real time, multiple times now. They wouldn’t be MAGA still if they had any morals or critical thinking capabilities.
Trump won’t go all in just yet, just try to provoke an attack (or stage a false flag) to give pretense to crack down on their land. Preceded of course by some covert bombing to soften their SAM defenses.
The subject matter of the post plus your username is an excellent combination here
Oh god, I thought you guys were sequestered in hexbear
that right there is the worse insult anyone has ever said to me online
Lol sorry
That doesnt seem to be the case at all, its all trumps idea as a distraction against the epstein file release, nice try to issue disinformation.
A right-winger with favorable oil policy.
Trump at a rally in 2023 already said ‘we could’ve gone into Venezuela and gotten all that oil’ if he had been elected in 2020 (except of course he lied that election was stolen)
