Has this console generation even started yet?
No GTA 6 until 2028 then.
I don’t think PS5 and XSX versions will be affected at all.
But since us on PC have to wait for that release AND the double dip on the PS6/New Xbox - we’re going to waiting until 2030 and beyond now.
At this point I’m pretending that the game hasn’t even been announced yet.
I admit I bought an XBOX 360 for GTA V so I wouldn’t have to wait for PC, but TBF you could get a used 360 for about $60 because the next gen was just around the corner. I’m not seeing any PS5s selling for anywhere near that cheap, so I won’t be playing GTA VI until it releases on PC this time around.
Start by making some content for the systems you already fucking have. My ps5 gets closer to facebook marketplace every day.
That’s a terrible business model and the shareholders disapprove.
/S kinda
Do we really need another playstation when they only just recently stopped putting every game on the ps4?
Good honestly, we don’t need another generation yet. Constraints are good for innovation.
This is great news for the video game community as even Sony and Microsoft admit consoles have nowhere else to go. They are already maxed out mini PC’s. So without huge graphics cards, you will see ZERO actual improvements on a 2028 console.
Save your money.
I dont want consoles to “get better” i want them to do more.
kinect was great and they killed it
1v100 was great and is kill
360 was promising us a virtual economy where pseudo-modders could make skins and sell them and they decided no
mixxer seemed great and is kill
picture in picture was great for waiting for games with really low player count but is kill
where’s WoW
they stopped shipping headsets with xbox and now voice chat is basically dead.
basically everyone has phones now but theres next to no uses other than jackbox and dance game
the avatars were pretty sweet, a nice cute MTX-fueled self-insertion gimmick.
These are jsut xbox related because peasantry. I could go on and on if I put some thought into it, and what’s worse is that a lot of my gripes there ACTUALLY EXISTED. They saw it could be done, did it, then just said “lol no”. I dont know what game theyre playing, just creating previous work to hoard patents or some shit, but we’ve got perverted by graphics over the ages.
We marveled at shiny graphics/polygon count/draw distance/objects on screen because it was the most surface-level, obvious, in-your-face evidence of improvements. Nobody but tech enthusiasts really care about it. The big improvements we actually gave a shit about are the quality of life features, control schemes and shit.
Goldeneye 007 on the N64 was considered a masterpiece, and is still looked on some 30 years later with nostalgia about the good old days. Go play it if you get a chance its near unplayable because the controls are weird. The dated graphics will be jarring but theyre not what irks you.
Stardew Valley is a straight rip-off of Harvest Moon, but go play a HM game from before SV. So much of it is janky and weird.
They’ll be saying theres nowhere left to go because computing power has basically plateaud but there is so much more room for improvement and innovation.
I dont want consoles to “get better” i want them to do more.
Exactly. They could give us a built-in light gun and a steering wheel, and see what indie game developers do with them!
Then sell controllers without the features for a cheaper, get onboard experience (I’m still pissed about the kinect, I liked the idea of everyone having it, only for them to then sell consoles without it 🙃)
What im hearing is that if we want those things sooner and at a reasonable price, we should do anything and everything possible to pop the AI bubble.
I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for us to own nothing.
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I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for is to own nothing.
They’re certainly welcome to attempt selling that to me.
They won’t like the outcome, but that’s more of a them problem.
Doesn’t that rely on everyone having a fast internet connection with a high data cap? That’s not the case for a lot of people
We’ll see. I hope you’re right. Similar tactics in the housing market have created situations in which rent is cheaper than mortgage payments, which is a bad portent.
what? no they haven’t. Rent is usually more expensive than mortgage payments we just set up the finanical system to disallow most renters from taking out a mortgage because its more profitable to trap people in an endless cycle of payment.
I mean, I’ve already got a backlog of 100+ Steam and GOG games I haven’t played yet, plus something like 1000+ retro game ROMs, and I’m happy to go digging in the crates as it were. There are already more games available than I’ll have time to play in my lifetime.
They push cloud gaming and I go fuck off entirely.
Do you play Call of Duty every release?
No? Because millions of people do.
Do you think your actions are offsetting that?
Because they are not. Nobody is going to sell hardware to a couple thousand folk who won’t get in with the times.
Do you play Call of Duty every release?No? Because millions of people do.Do you think your actions are offsetting that?Because they are not. Nobody is going to sell hardware to a couple thousand folk who won’t get in with the times.
Based on your tone, you come from the Randy Pitchford school of public relations.
If you’re uncertain about what I’m getting at, my recent spending on Borderlands, and Borderlands related goods, averages out to zero dollars and zero cents.
I’m telling you that we are in a minority.
And that unless we can convince at least 50% of gamers to not buy into that, we lost.
EA should have been bankrupt twenty times over, but people keep buying their games.
Same as with everything.
I keep fighting, but this fight has been lost since the start.
I’m telling you that we are in a minority.And that unless we can convince at least 50% of gamers to not buy into that, we lost.EA should have been bankrupt twenty times over, but people keep buying their games.Same as with everything.I keep fighting, but this fight has been lost since the start.
I understand your thesis, but am offering mine as a wholesale replacement instead of a rebuttal:
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The entire gaming industry produces non-essential goods.
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No one video game, nor the entire industry, have a monopoly on entertainment.
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I dictate what products and services I want, the video game industry does not.
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If the industry doesn’t produce products that I want, the industry gets zero of my entertainment dollars, or attention.
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I can and will spend my entertainment dollars elsewhere, and have experienced zero stress as a result.
Why “fight” an industry that needs you more than you need it? They cannot stop me from disregarding them, which certainly makes getting money out of me a challenge.
I cannot stress enough how much of a Them problem this actually is.
I’m just trying to explain to you that YOU might do your thing, but YOU do not sway the industry.
I’ve known and understood the dangers of dark practices, yet those companies were rewarded regardless of me not buying into them and warning others.
All I’m saying is that you and I represent an insignificant minority of money in gaming, and if the majority won’t shop for PC hardware, that will cease to be sold. Completely. You and I will not change that.
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How have we “lost”?
I don’t think Indie games are going anywhere. If anything, this is probably an opportunity for them to feast.
The big AAA titles that, by our own admission, we already aren’t playing? They may go a different direction that we don’t like, but they also aren’t a product (or service, as it may become) for me.
Again: if majority of players stop buying PC hardware, it will not be sold AT ALL. That’s it. Indies will fade slowly after.
GeForce Now performs well but it’s already seeing further limits put in place. Gamepass already saw price hikes. Amazon Luna has a terribly small library. Smaller players have to buy GPUs, memory, and processor’s too and contend with AI data center induced rising power costs. Plus data center location matters a huge amount and that’s still a work in progress for game streaming services and a lot of the world
Plus my Internet throttles after like 1.5TB a month. Fine for ~15mbps Netflix. Not so good for ~100mbps game streaming. Others have data caps or overage fees. There certainly are those with uncapped/unthrottled internet. I wish my neighborhood had that
Game streaming is going mainstream going to get worse short term too. Mostly pricing and worse usage limits
A midrange phone these days are power competitive with a PS4. Makes more sense for Steam’s future support android APKs because of the Steam Frame to make way for Steam to be an Android game store and devs target Switch-PS4 hardware on the low end and PS5 mid/high end. Don’t even entertain the idea of a PS6 level min requirements game for a game releasing this decade. Probably not even for the first half of the 2030s
I haven’t ever used game streaming, is it seriously that latency-free that it’s worth it? I just can’t imagine that.
Depends on how close you are to the server and your Internet connection. For me when my Internet isn’t having a bad day, the latency is good even for twitchy shooting games. I wouldn’t rely on it for a competitive game full match length, but anything single player is good. Pretty much anything that isn’t super fast paced twitchy is good. GeForce Now is how I first tried Cyberpunk path tracing. Worked great
I remember trying out games on GeForce Now, Gamepass, and Luna around the same time. GeForce Now and Luna latency wasn’t a problem for me. Gamepass was frequently really bad
I’m not subscribed to anything anymore. Just wanted to try them out. Only when there’s a deal. Forgot to subscribe for one month 50% last month so I’ll wait again. Probably a summer month when I want to game but not use my desktop
Interesting. I have 5gbps fiber so I wonder if it’d be good. I’m just struggling to understand how it could be, lol. I don’t really game anymore though. Thanks for the reply!
You can Google your city and distance to closest GeForce Now data center or other video game streaming service. I’m like 300-400 km away from a data center hosting geforce now
You guys have data caps? Or is that mobile broadband?
Depending on location. Same city 3 years ago no data cap. Current neighborhood first had a data cap that had overage fees or pay an extra $50 a month for uncapped. Now with a service provider that does throttling after a point during congestion
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
Possibly, but this doesn’t diminish my desire for that bubble to pop sooner rather than later.
See you in 2028 when the economy recovers and we all have jobs again.
Console gaming now is stupid. The Xbox and PlayStation are both just x86_64 PCs with different colored plastic shells.
The PS5 base security keys got leaked, it’s going to be a full fledge PC once the modders get to work. Might be the cheapest way to get ram now hah.
It will definitely boost PS5 sales. Sony loves to boast about PlayStation 2 being the best selling console in history but they conveniently leave out the reason. It’s because there are modchips and even software jailbreaks for the console. It’s why it sold super well during the end of its lifetime in low and middle income regions.
I used to refuse change at the bakery when I was a kid and would instead pick something out of the stack of pirated PS2 games. Something like two US dollars? Three? Not an egregious sum for my child self to waste every so often. The death of the on the ground piracy culture of the third world really sucks, although those beautifully dodgy TV boxes give me hope for humanity.
Those were the fucking days eh? You either catch a movie on TV or in the cinema, or you get lucky with whatever they’ve got on random counters in random shops. Remember watching schlock? Was that bad for culture? Was it really that bad?
Actually the reason is it was the cheapest DVD player for ages
PS3 was also the cheapest blueray player at the time, but the weird architecture impacting game availability and lower demand for blueray movies prevented it from gaining the same popularity
I wonder what their margin on console sales was then and now.
Oh wut? Lol my PS5 just got a lot more interesting.
I’ll be converting my PS5 to a Steam Machine once the masters have done their work.
I’d also love to have a normal PS5 partition and a Linux one. This would be the best of both worlds, but I think I’m dreaming too much😇
Valve’s reaction to this news in relation to Steam Machine: Fuck.
Granted that is millions of new potential steam game players.
I’m guessing that the direct profit from a Steam Machine (i.e. the hardware) is a pittance compared to the profit from the game sales that it will generate.
Got a Link about that?
sorry about the delay, apparently I’m only getting notified of new messages 10 hours later, even though I’ve been on since.
All fine. Thanks for the link
The original Xbox even had a hard drive and DVD ROM player connected by IDE cables so it didn’t change much.
Indeed and two years of advancement for steamboxes / Linux gaming distros will be the nail in the coffin. These are the last of their kind.
Good? Current gen is extremely capable and there’s no reason for a refresh then anyways.
Yeah, it feels like those consoles would be more expensive, for hardware that’s not going to be terribly stronger, to play games which don’t need the visual upgrade, and all of that wants to be paid by players with less money to spend.
Good, that will make my GPU relevant for longer
Good. Let’s make everyone hate ai so we turn against it and regress back to a better time.
There won‘t really be a next Xbox. I think Microsoft made that very clear. It‘s all cloud gaming for AAA from here on out.
Do enough people even like the added latency of cloud gaming? And is that going to be tolerated for popular games like COD, Fortnite, or Valorant?
Maybe they’ll do that but here in New Zealand I’m not going to be streaming on my shared 100mbps connection. There are 10 people sharing the line it’s not going to work for cloud gaming.
Or it’s going to be a PC with an Xbox GUI skin and console form factor
Probably. Its most likely going to look like the steam machine except it’ll run on win11with an Xbox gui instead of linux. Probably be quite locked down in regards to software and store access as well.
I don‘t see why. All the hardware you need is already integrated in their data centers.
I can just have the AI play my games for me. Problem SOLVED!
Then you’ll be free to work more! It’s win-win!
EXACTLY what the Billionaires were after in the first place. That’s some 3-D chess going on here.
