The US firm faced a difficult year with unease over chief executive Elon Musk’s political activities and stiff overseas competition.

The US firm faced a difficult year with unease over chief executive Elon Musk’s political activities and stiff overseas competition.

      • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
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        4 days ago

        There’s so much misunderstanding about this… like people think he’s just going to get it all, but to get it all, the company would seriously need to execute well.

        However.

        I think its easily overlooked because of the big number if he gets it all which gets all the headlines, a lot of the earlier goals aren’t as hard to reach and still pay a very large amount, more than any other pay package as well.

        Also, inflation over 10 years is going to really narrow the gap on any dollar based target. Selling another 11 million cars between now and then isn’t going to be hard either unless he tanks the company further. That goal should have been a high yearly output over X years, like 4mil/y for 3+ years.

        And also, there’s so much misunderstanding about how he gets paid. It’s shareholder dilution. Tesla shareholders are paying him this if it gets it, and in exchange they get something like a 5.5x return before dilution. Still overpaying, but it’s an exchange between them.

        I do wonder internally if they really think he’ll meet all the goals, or if it’s a smokescreen to get him the smaller tranches with less fuss because everyone is going on about the total number.

        • Rusty Shackleford@programming.devEnglish
          4·
          3 days ago

          And so many people seem to forget another simple, yet easy to grasp thing:

          Tesla must actually make reliable cars that people want and sell them at a price that enough people can afford.

          Sounds easy, or at least the concept is simple. This is from a quantitative insights company’s outlook about TSLA:

          According to the most recent financial reports and market analysis for January 2026, Tesla is indeed navigating a significant “correction” period. The company has transitioned from the explosive hyper-growth of 2021–2022 into a phase of margin compression, slowing vehicle demand, and a shifting regulatory environment. The following analysis tracks Tesla’s Adjusted EBITDA (the metric most preferred by analysts to gauge core operational health) and the specific factors driving the “trouble” narrative.

          Tesla EBITDA Performance Analysis (2021–2025)

          Year Adjusted EBITDA YoY Growth Key Financial Driver
          2021 $9.43 Billion +120.8% Global Model Y ramp-up; high demand.
          2022 $17.24 Billion +82.7% Peak profitability; record production; low competition.
          2023 $13.56 Billion -21.3% Start of “Price Wars”; aggressive discounts to maintain volume.
          2024 $13.03 Billion -3.9% Stagnating growth; high interest rates hitting auto affordability.
          2025 (Est) $14.50 Billion ~+11% Recovery in Q3/Q4; offset by the loss of regulatory credits.

          Analysis of the “Trouble” Narrative

          While the absolute EBITDA remains high compared to most automakers, the quality of these earnings is under fire for three main reasons:

          1. The “Regulatory Credit” Cliff For years, Tesla relied on selling regulatory credits to rivals like Ford and GM. In Q2 2024, this was still a $890 million revenue stream. However, by late 2025, this “pure profit” effectively vanished. Under the “Big Beautiful Bill” passed in mid-2025, the US government ended emission penalty enforcement, destroying the market for these credits almost overnight.
          • Impact: A ~$2.5 billion annual hole in Tesla’s high-margin revenue.
          1. Eroding EBITDA Margins Tesla’s EBITDA margin—a key measure of efficiency—has dropped from a peak of 23.9% (Q1 2022) to a steady 15.0% (Q3 2025). The company is now spending significantly more on CapEx (billions on H100 GPU clusters and AI R&D) while earning less per vehicle sold due to global competition from BYD and others.
          2. Stagnating Delivery Growth 2025 marked the first time Tesla faced serious “demand saturation.” Q1 2025 deliveries were only 323,800 units, a 13% decline year-over-year. While sales recovered in the latter half of the year, the “50% annual growth” promise is considered permanently over by most institutional analysts. Enumerated Sources The data provided in this analysis is synthesized from the following primary and secondary financial records:
          • Tesla Investor Relations (IR): Q3 2025 Update, Q4 2024 Financial Summary, and Q4 2023 Financial Summary. These provide the definitive Adjusted EBITDA and delivery figures.
          • Macrotrends: Tesla EBITDA 2012–2025 Charting. Used for historical year-over-year percentage comparisons and GAAP vs. Non-GAAP reconciliations.
          • Finbox Financial Intelligence: EBITDA Margin for Tesla Inc (TSLA). Used to benchmark Tesla’s 11.3%–15% margins against the broader Consumer Discretionary sector.
          • Electrek / Nasdaq: “Tesla’s Regulatory Credit Cash Cow Is Fading Fast” (August 2025) and “US Officially Ends Emission Credits” (August 2025). These detail the legislative impact on Tesla’s ancillary revenue.
          • IG / Bloomberg Financial: Tesla Q1 2025 Earnings Preview. Used for analysis of the “weakest delivery performance in three years” recorded in early 2025. Would you like me to analyze how Tesla’s “Energy Generation and Storage” segment performed in late 2025 to see if it is successfully replacing the lost automotive revenue?
      • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 days ago

        That’s not how it works…

        They create new shares which dilutes everyone. The shareholders are paying Elon.

        To get a trillion dollars they’d need to sell 68% of the company to someone else today, or over 10% of the company at the planned end goal of the compensation plan.

        Giving that % of the company to someone else would have a real impact on how the company is run, and who even has that much money to buy into Tesla other than other bad large companies / private equity.

        Edit: also, they’re flush with cash as it is already. They’ve claimed for years they can’t spend it any faster without being wasteful. They got somethings like 45b in the bank.