• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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      I did and FPTP suggest the two most similar parties should merge… that is, unless the most similar party enjoys playing the controlled opposition. -In that case they might not merge but then supporting the opposition party continues to enable the party in power. So while it takes time for the Democrats and Republicans to merge, I’ll be out here voting and advocating for real positive change.

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        But with FPTP your vote for a third party changes nothing. It simply makes it easier for the other two to win.

        Advocating and protesting work. That drives change.

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          it made it easier for Joseph Biden to win? Do you have any metrics for how much change you’ve personally affected through protest and “advocating?” as my vote counted for ~1:153,000,000 (not counting for delegates and electoralism.)

          Tangentially, in 2020 I watched people protest police and its abusive practices, then when the same people got a chance to vote for the Democrat, he responded by increasing support for police nationwide.

          The other reason I ask (and my tangent only reinforces this idea) is because there’s an infamous paper from Princeton in 2014 that suggests sitting politicians Don’t care what you think. -Direct source to the paper cited

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      Votong for somone you don’t agree with is inconceivable to me. Until much more if that hapoens nothing changes. 3rd party is fine and should be encouraged

      Blame GOP voters for this mess, not others

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        I see the confusion. You’re not voting FOR someone. That’s not how this works.

        You WILL get one of the two candidates as your next president. You vote AGAINST the worst one. It’s that simple and no simpler.

        3rd party is irrelevant until we get ranked choice voting. All it does is split the main two parties and strengthen the one you hate most.

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      Look up “parliament” to learn why casting any vote rather than rebuilding the whole system from scratch leads to supporting tyrants

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        that will never be on the ballot. the active socialist position is to vote for the least worst candidate with a chance of winning and organize on the margins to build the strength for a robust insurgency movement that can break the system and make a new one. organizing under hyperfascism is much more difficult than under neoliberal fascism. it’s why big businesses switch to supporting overt fascism in times of decay. yes, the calculus is a little different if you’re in a winner take all location with a heavy majority like maryland, illinois, or idaho. in those locations, go ahead, vote 3rd party to send a message that america isn’t homogenous or a binary. or spend your day organizing on the margins. but you have to understand that the most votes a third party candidate ever mustered was 18%, and that candidate was a right wing libertarian with some very concerning views on race.

        election day is all about finding a way to make the other 364 days of resistance continue to be possible. they’ve become much more difficult under the republican controlled apparatus

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          Yes and there’s your problem. Instead of building a proper political system you just keep voting for tyrants all the while burning others because they voted on the wrong tyrant.

          Stop voting and get your pitchforks out