Naive pacifism is. I’m a pacifist too, but it doesn’t take much reading to understand the reasoning behind “If you want peace, prepare for war” and acknowledge that, regrettably, violence sometimes is the only option not amounting to reckless neglect.
Better to compromise and achieve something than to smugly die an idealist and achieve nothing.
I’m not worried about humans disappearing from the earth, I’m worried about my mixed race son being targeted by fucking gestapo. I’m worried about my queer friends being targeted by gestapo. I’m worried about having to subsistence hunt to feed my family after the fascists are done wrecking our economy because either the stores are empty or our money is worthless to buy it. Hell, I’m a little concerned with all the aggression this regime is showing towards the rest of the world. If EU grew a backbone they might just gang up and do to us what we’ve done to the middle east. You sound like you’re prepared to deep throat the boot to stay comfortable. You probably grew up privileged and think they’d never come for you. I think your type are in for some ugly realizations. You aren’t safe even if you support them now.
Ah, I did misunderstand you. I thought you meant compromise with the bastards.
Fuck, I don’t want to see firefights in the streets, but as ICE ratchets up the violence against regular folks I just can’t see us not having to fight them.
Ah, I did misunderstand you. I thought you meant compromise with the bastards.
Lemmy (and the internet in general) has a tendency for replies to be diametrically opposed, so I don’t blame you for mistaking my comment as contrarian. It’s an unfortunate extension of the hostile discussion culture.
If anything, I’d disagree on details, but not on the general sentiment: Being scared to make a move is human. Refusing to make a move because you value principle over intention is hypocrisy. Convincing others not to make a move is sabotage.
And saboteurs are at least as bad as open enemies, if not worse for their insidious pretense. In short: They’re bastards.
I don’t want to see firefights in the streets
I question the sanity of anyone who does. Fighting is a destructive activity. The best war is one that is never fought.
But as the saying goes: If you fight, you might lose…
but as ICE ratchets up the violence against regular folks I just can’t see us not having to fight them.
…but if you don’t fight (back), you’ve already lost. And this is a fight we really don’t want to lose.
People should be rioting though… How else do we stop our own government from kidnapping and killing our neighbors?
The only other effective solution I can think of is citizen sabotage, but that’s like rioting in the shadows.
No, no, the pacifists want us to just let them continue battering and killing people. Pacifism is as bad a disease as hemophilia.
Surely if we listen to the pacifists and stop resisting, ICE will simply go away /s
Naive pacifism is. I’m a pacifist too, but it doesn’t take much reading to understand the reasoning behind “If you want peace, prepare for war” and acknowledge that, regrettably, violence sometimes is the only option not amounting to reckless neglect.
Better to compromise and achieve something than to smugly die an idealist and achieve nothing.
Right, because compromise has worked so well this far.
How old do you think the human race is? WE have gone thru a lot and WE will make it thru this.
I’m not worried about humans disappearing from the earth, I’m worried about my mixed race son being targeted by fucking gestapo. I’m worried about my queer friends being targeted by gestapo. I’m worried about having to subsistence hunt to feed my family after the fascists are done wrecking our economy because either the stores are empty or our money is worthless to buy it. Hell, I’m a little concerned with all the aggression this regime is showing towards the rest of the world. If EU grew a backbone they might just gang up and do to us what we’ve done to the middle east. You sound like you’re prepared to deep throat the boot to stay comfortable. You probably grew up privileged and think they’d never come for you. I think your type are in for some ugly realizations. You aren’t safe even if you support them now.
You got me wrong: Better to compromise on pacifism than steadfastly refuse to defend ourselves
Ah, I did misunderstand you. I thought you meant compromise with the bastards.
Fuck, I don’t want to see firefights in the streets, but as ICE ratchets up the violence against regular folks I just can’t see us not having to fight them.
Lemmy (and the internet in general) has a tendency for replies to be diametrically opposed, so I don’t blame you for mistaking my comment as contrarian. It’s an unfortunate extension of the hostile discussion culture.
If anything, I’d disagree on details, but not on the general sentiment: Being scared to make a move is human. Refusing to make a move because you value principle over intention is hypocrisy. Convincing others not to make a move is sabotage.
And saboteurs are at least as bad as open enemies, if not worse for their insidious pretense. In short: They’re bastards.
I question the sanity of anyone who does. Fighting is a destructive activity. The best war is one that is never fought.
But as the saying goes: If you fight, you might lose…
…but if you don’t fight (back), you’ve already lost. And this is a fight we really don’t want to lose.
Pragmatic and based. I appreciate your logic and your patience.