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The democratic party has absolutely no spine. They toss around a concept of standing up for the American people, then cower like scared children.
DHS should be completely dismantled and the agencies it sucked in should be returned to their former status. When the fucking Patriot Act was approved, it would eventually lead to a unit identical to the SS and NKVD. It took 23 years and a bunch of fucked up voters to allow it. The fucking Russians and CCP Chinese are rubbing their hands together and laughing their balls off at the AmeriKan downfall.
Call them and ask them if today’s shooting would change their mind.
The slaughter of everyday Americans has never been a weighty burden to the American government.
You guys ever notice how it’s always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?
It’s also always just enough democrats to make sure republicans always get what they want.
Why people keep voting for them is beyond me. They must be stupid or something.
The Blue Dogs (the group that voted for ice funding) is the same group of dems that thwarted Bill Clinton.
It’s all kayfabe, it’s the squared circle. Whenever actual change is on the menu, like the public option with Obama care, exactly enough dems will turn to make it not happen, reliably.
How many is the super majority? Add 2 and that’s how many dems will show up to stop progress.
You guys ever notice how it’s always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?
Massie’s been in full revolt for months now. And we’ve had perennial haters in the GOP going back to John McCain and Ron Paul. And the Tea Party Caucus was a big reason why the GOP couldn’t pick a new House Speaker for nearly a month. These opponents tend to be Libertarian flavored, and tend to undermine Neocon efforts to spend money at the risk of raising taxes
The loathsome Blue Dog Caucus are an organized conservative opposition within the liberal party. It consistently sabotages party priorities while funneling enormous sums of corporate money into leadership races.
Both exist to benefit corporate interests.
but they never face any consequences from party leadership.
it’s moreso the case that when leadership decides they don’t actually want to stop something (for reasons) the blue dogs are called upon to performatively break ranks and help the Republicans.
If they really were in opposition to the actual goals of the party, they would not retain influential positions within it.
It’s because both parties are owned by the same Israeli lobby and the Zionist tech bro oligarchs. It’s not even a conspiracy it’s easily verifiable. Epstein and Gizzline worked for Israel to collect blackmail for Israel. We pay for Israeli’s to have universal healthcare, free college and a $400 monthly payment per child until they turn 18 but those things are evil and “communist” here. We the American taxpayers pay hundreds of billions for this stuff while Americans die and go into debt for sickness. Israel is a hostile foreign power do friends blackmail their allies? https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://wonderisrael.com/monthly-stipend-for-a-jewish-kid/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel
They must be stupid or something.
They are.
Who should we vote for otherwise? Every other option leads to Republicans staying in power, and they are the ones actually doing it.
Don’t vote? That’s fewer votes the Republicans need to win, so they stay in power.
Vote third party? That splits the opposition vote, and Republicans stay in power.
And no, neither of those choices “teach the Democrats a lesson.” It just drives them to go to the people who do vote, who are more right wing, so it drives everything further right.
You want a more left wing party? Show them that the left votes and our votes have value.
they don’t control the entire D party, there are good people there.
support the good ones, primary the bad ones.
In the last 10 years I’ve seen a noticeable shift in the number of normies (non political junkies) who have realized which Democrat are real and which are paid stooges.
If we want to push things back to the left, we absolutely have to show support for more left candidates in the primaries.
But if we don’t show them that we’re willing to vote, we’re just going to get candidates that chase the votes of the people who DO vote.
Democrats don’t care about your vote, that should have been obvious during Harris’s campaign while they focused on the right wing vote.
That splits the opposition vote
Democrats are not the opposition, they are the enablers of fascism, they are complicit in everything happening right now.
That doesn’t answer my question. Who should we vote for that doesn’t result in the fascists staying in office?
I’m not gonna tell someone who to vote for, but a vote for Democrats = Fascism. A vote for Republicans = Fascism.
That is reductionist to the point of obsursity.
Republicans are demonstrably by more fascist.
Not voting against Republicans keeps more fascism in place.
Therefore, not voting only increases fascism. Voting for someone that can’t win against the Republicans increases fascism.
And before you say voting for Democrats also increases fascism, they are already less fascist than what is currently in place. Having anyone else, even a Democrat, in office will be less fascism.
Vote to decrease fascism. Move in that direction. Not voting only pushes us toward more fascism.
There is not choice available right now to remove fascism entirely. We must show politicians that they stand to gain by moving away from it. Not voting doesn’t do that.
Sounds like a bunch of incrementalism. That incrementalism that liberals preach helped shift the entire country to where it is right now. Can’t vote your way out of fascism when the people you are voting for have a vested interest in the status quo
That doesn’t disprove what I’m saying. That’s just your feeling with no evidence to back it up.
I have history to backup my claims. Yes, we’ve shifted right due to incrementalism because people on the right are more likely to vote, so it demonstrably does work. There’s no reason we can’t shift back if people who want change actually vote for it, rather than withholding their votes for a “perfect” solution.
Stop voting for them in the primaries so we don’t have this issue.
The primaries are the key. Support the people who will oppose these issues.
But as we saw with Bernie, the support has to be undeniable and actionable, or they’ll just put in who they want anyway. This means that there is a non-zero chance that we’ll end up with the usual kind of choices. Should we then support the candidate that isn’t at least actively disparaging the law, or should we not vote and increase the chance of the party that is actively destroying things winning?
I don’t vote for capitalists
So we can have Obama or Biden rather than Adolf Hitler with dementia?
What about what happened with Hillary?
Bernie would have won, but instead we get 12 years of trump.
So we can have double-tap Obama and Genocide Joe? JFC dude, we deserve better
If you can’t see the difference between Oboma and Trump I can’t help you
I can help you.
Obama funded ICE and built the concentration camps, while bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.
Then Trump exploits and uses ICE, while Dems continue to fund it. Trump is mask off unhinged Capitalism, Obama was “polite” mask on Capitalism. Neither serve you. Neither improved material conditions for the working class.
Edit: also Kamala ran on empowering ICE, and bragged about a stronger border than Trump even wanted. Wtf are even talking about. Democrats enable Republicans. Always. They are the other side of the same capitalists coin that does not serve you whatsoever.
… was not was he was saying?!
They are traitors. Just about every single establishment democrat is enabling the Trump Regime to loot America on their behalf.
Complicit.
This is the democracy americans preach for lmaaao, fuck off
I keep saying both sides are fascist, just that one side is better at hiding it. And I keep getting downvoted…
“They’re terrified of being labeled anti–law enforcement,” an unnamed source told the liberal magazine. “They want this to go away…"
Spoken like a true pussy, I mean democrat.
But this not what ice is. They aren’t law enforcement. That’s the problem, too.
They are immigration and customs enforcement officers.
And… we should be whittling their budget
Why are they getting more money, they got 200 billion in the bill last summer.
Technically they are, or at least should be. Customs and border control laws are still laws.
However, what they’re doing now is lawlessness.
Doesn’t matter they will get labeled something else. ICE is terrorizing MN law enforcement and the right doesn’t care. Insurrectionists terrorizing law enforcement on Jan 6, the right didn’t care. ICE is not a classic law enforcement agency anyway. These people are idiots and likely just making shit up.
Not even that. Republicans will call them anti-law anyway. They have been for years.
This abstaineousness earns them nothing. The only reason to assume they took this position is that it’s what their donors want.
I’d much rather be known as anti-law enforcement than pro-nazi.
I’d be proud to be labeled “anti-law enforcement”.
Surely Steven Miller will magically change his mind and the human rights violations will stop. Uh huh.
Hey now, I’m a big fan of pussies. Democrats, not so much.
We want it to go away too, but funding the actual law breakers isn’t how you do it
They want it to go away, they just don’t want to have to do anything to make it happen. They’d like the no risk, all reward option.
Pussy
These democratsThey’re the same picture.
Remember that these people have now aided and abetted the murders of Nicole Good, Alex Jeffey Pretti, and countless others not caught on video.
Shorty has something on them.
Trump straight pardoned Henry Cueller, the ringleader. He was caught dead to rights taking bribes from foreign officials and has functionally flipped teams in exchange for clemency.
Incidentally, Jefferies reinstated Cueller as senior Dem on the Appropriations Committee. He’ll be the chairman if Dems retake the House this year.
Bunch of cowards. You can be pro-enforcement and also be pro-due process and human rights.
Exactly. Democratic policies work (most of the sometimes)… it’s just democrats have no fucking backbone, no balls to demand things to get their policies enacted like republicans do. Republican policies fail miserably and royally fuck everything up. Grow a fucking pair, dems… be the change you want to see in the world.
The three should be one in the same IMO.
I love that this article makes funding ICE the fault of the Democrats, ignoring the fact that they are a minority. And the people in the comments here are eating it up.
Do I think the Democrats have the good of the American people in mind? No. Do I think this article has successfully manipulated people into mentally shifting the blame, if momentarily, to the wrong party? Fuckin’ oath!
Yeah, it’s not to often (read: never) that the minority gets to bring a budget bill to the floor for a vote.
All they can do for this is vote against it. Jeffries not whipping against the resolution is fucking horrible, though. He needs to go.
Bullshit. The Republicans are the fascists in power. Being angry at them is the default, nothing to say. The Democrats can be either resisting or enabling. People have every fucking right to be mad at the enablers who should be resisting.
Your comment is the equivalent of saying “yea the crime in my city is caused by criminals and corrupt cops, but it’s mostly the criminals, so look why are you eating up the propaganda that you should be mad at the police?”.
As non-maga American voters you guys need to be holding your enabler Democrats to account. We, the rest of the world, know the Republicans are beyond your control. Your fucking Democrats though? That’s on you.
Edit, here: https://youtu.be/1PwmiG7ABl0
Seven House Democrats voted for the ICE bill after minority leader Jeffries decided Dems couldn’t obstruct the vote and the bill was certain to pass. Of course, this was a Republican bill which Republicans all voted for, but that doesn’t matter to these horseshoe left ideologues. They’re all in with the GOP, because the GOP sprays accelerationist fire onto the government never mind the damage to peoples’ lives.
Dems have approved record funding for ICE every single year for the past 25 years. Dems can stop this anytime they want.
Bernie’s been in politics for decades, and how dare he’s not done anything about this! I don’t care if he’s in the minority and by definition the country is conservative but why the hell did we just vote him in? He’s really just Republican light!
Bernie is voting against these policies and the other democrats for them, just enough to get it passed always. Just like when the government was shut down and the Republicans were wildly unpopular, Bernie voted no, the other democrats “minority that can’t do anything” voted yes and we got healthcare cuts.
All other democrats?
