says the guy who’s party literally just voted to fund these known murders.
“You guys kill six, seven, eight or ten more white people and I’m gonna be really mad”
7 Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to fund them. It’s unconscionable, and those seven should be primaried, as well as party leadership who decided not to do a whip vote, but blaming the entire Democratic Party, including the Senate which hasn’t voted yet and is vowing to block it, is quite ignorant, to be honest.
What are you hoping to accomplish by responding to Senate Democrats saying they won’t allow the funding, by saying “You already allowed the funding”?
Wait for the Senate to vote, see if they keep their word. Don’t preemptively blame them for the thing they’re saying they’re going to try to stop.
And if they don’t keep their word, run for their seat and primary them. But all this “Dems are fascist-lite/controlled-opposition” seems like a combination of foreign disinfo and right-wing psyop, both of which are meant to sow discord and weaken opposition. And it’s working, because idiots like you keep falling for it.
If you haven’t seen establishment Dem’s efforts to maintain the power of the GOP and this new fascist paradigm, you have paid zero attention and are just as painted-face-sports-fan for the Dems as MAGA is for Trump.
I’m not saying we don’t vote Dem. We should all vote Dem. Entirely NEW dems. Every incumbent must go, every last one. I stopped caring when they stopped caring about us. Fuck every last one, I hope they end up prosecuted at the Hague with the GOP who enabled this. Or at least disappear into obscurity.
We have no advocates in federal power.
We also have a LOT of pro-establishment Dem accounts being made across Lemmy with account ages less than a month old. That part makes me go “huh.” It should make everyone roll their eyes.
That’s precisely the kind of no-nuance take that I would expect from maga.
Pointing out obvious untruths and presenting easily verifiable facts is not the same as being pro-establishment Dem.
I’m not happy about the response seen so far, and I think any Dem who votes with Republicans should be primaried. I think the Democratic Party leadership should be replaced. But painting the entire Democratic Party with a broad-brush and saying they’re all to blame/controlled opposition/fascist-lite is as I said both counter-factual and counter-productive.
There are plenty of Democrats voting against Republicans and doing all they can to oppose them, and lumping them in with republicans and DINOs is not going to help the situation.
Just because they currently have a minority and the way the system is designed makes it extremely difficult for them to oppose the majority party doesn’t mean they’re all complicit. If you want to see them make a difference, try voting in more Dems so that they get a sabotage-proof majority.
Until then, try directing your ire at the people who are actually to blame, such as republicans and the 7 House Democrats who voted with them.
Adam Schiff is not the problem, and attacking him for making headlines with an oppositional statement is only going to disincentivize any remaining Democrats from speaking up or standing out. And that is not what we need.
Every last one needs to go, you have presented ZERO case for allowing these useless traitors to keep representing us.
Seriously? Arguing for ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS on Lemmy? What are you even smoking? Do you think this is some tuned-out liberal site?
No really, what’s your game. You in India? Philippines? Russia? making a dime trying to protect these old liches? Have a conscience, quit this stupid game.
Just ignore everything I said and keep your head up your ass, why don’t you? I’m not going to bother repeating myself if you’re just going to keep ignoring reality and pretending I said things that I didn’t.
You in India? Philippines? Russia?
Projection much? You trolls keep telling on yourselves.
Funny, I’m not guving Schiff another dime either, for completely different reasons
Every incumbent dem must go. The reckoning is 10 months away.
Well, assuming the midterms happen and are actually free of interference, neither of which is necessarily a given.
I think we have far better chances than they want you to believe. We aren’t a single, small nation with one vote. We are 50 separate countries basically. “State” doesn’t mean subservient to a greater power, it means State. States have a lot of power and independence if they choose, and the administration would have to not just rig one election, they would have to rig 50, and that’s a HUGE task with massive chances of being caught.
But they will likely seed the public discourse with the suspicion that they will cheat, this will discourage some amount of people from voting at all. This might be all they have.
It’s not impossible for them to cheat, they very well might, they have a LOT of money to do so, but the question they need to ask is if they feel confident enough with the consequences and stability post-cheat when it inevitably comes out and nothing in the country changes and people get more and more angry.
They don’t have to rig 50. They just need a middleman.
Also, there’s points where all those votes converge so if they want to disrupt it, they don’t disrupt the voting. They disrupt it at the end.
So last election, they pulled all of the volunteers that weren’t republican out of my area. What we’re supposed to do is audit. So basically a republican a democrat and an independent would bring those votes at the end of the day to the county elections office. They stopped us from doing that this last election. They only allowed Republicans to do it. We could not audit them.
I’m an independent. They would not allow me to audit the fucking election as we have done every single year since I’ve been allowed to vote.
I have been consistently the youngest person to ever be volunteering and I’m not young. It was so bad the last election we couldn’t find a good bit of people that weren’t republican that were willing to put their time in for this.
So when I tell you, the people have failed themselves, this is why. They are lazy they took advantage of democracy. They don’t fucking do shit. So yes I’m going to fucking tell you. It’s easy to steal it from all 50 states when no one‘s fucking volunteering to audit And they cheated us out of the opportunity to do it when we are actually there.
I’m hearing a call for more audit volunteers, and I’ll lead that charge in my own community. I hope others reading this also take up metaphorical arms and get out and volunteer.
Fuck this fucking guy.
We need a third Socialist Party that appeals to everyone regardless of where they stand in the spectrum (and uses euphemisms because Red Scare and all).
No fucking shit. Do something. Minnesota is entirely working within our communities and expect nothing from our governments. If I had the option, I would opt out of America at this point. Imagine if MN didn’t have to pay federal taxes, that’d be great.
Yes, that’s the point. Stop pretending that that’s not the point
Yeah I was about to make this exact same comment. They want to see people suffer and die, that’s why they’re allowing all this to happen.
People need to stop pretending that the murders are some unfortunate side product
I dont even get why they need that much funding. It plays like a scheme.
To kill people.
Who 10% of his party
Says the fucker that gave them almost $30 billion less than a year ago. We’re here because you all tripled their annual budget. What the fuck did you think was going to happen?
that was not the best time to negotiate (/s)
Every Democrat in the Senate voted against that. Blaming Schiff for what’s going on is counter-factual and counter-productive.
Oh, it’s you again. You waste your fucking time here I would assume 99% of us are not going to change our opinion over some dumb fuck that has all the fucking time in the world to post day in and day out.
You entered the world of paranoia none of us buy what you’re fucking selling. Now go fuck off go fucking ruin a protest.
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It’s wild how many pro-establishment-democrat accounts were made just this year. I’m sure it’s a coincidence.
Yes, cause “presenting facts” is the same thing as being a “pro-establishment-democrat”
If you all want to stick your heads up your asses and ignore reality so that you can complain about everyone and their mother, stoke discord when we need a unified opposition, and promote violence when you’re at a total technical disadvantage, then you’re no better than maga, and the only reason you’re not doing the same shit they’re doing is because you’re not in power.
stoke discord when we need a unified opposition, and promote violence when you’re at a total technical disadvantage,
How much are you paid to regurgitate this tripe?
I am advocating for dismantling the Democrat party by voting out all incumbents because they’re useless to our country and our communities. And I have a LOT of support on this measure. Cry harder establishment shill.
$0, I wish speaking truth to idiotic accelerationists was a lucrative profession.
Dismantling the last line of political opposition is not an intelligent response to that opposition not being large enough to have a governing majority.
But if you keep pushing this line of rhetoric, then you’re going to get the day you’re begging for. Just like you’re already getting the day you begged for when you were saying “Don’t vote for Kamala Harris, she’ll be sooo bad for Palestine!”
How’s Palestine doing now, fuckwit?
Don’t worry, I’m not expecting you to actually be ready to admit you were wrong.
Feels like I’m hitting a nerve actually. Funny that my case for voting for new democratic representatives is hurting your feelings so badly. OOH RADICAL, VOTING FOR NEW DEMS. SOMEONE CALL THE FBI ON ME. I cannot imagine what would be triggering that kind of response unless it was like, your job or something to preserve these people’s positions, and I’m making it harder.
I won’t see any more of your raving, have fun doing whatever it is you think you’re doing. (Other than making your case look worse and worse by the minute.)
It’s fine, keep fellating yourself while misrepresenting everything that I said. The people who matter can see through your bullshit.
You’ll have more success peddling your inflammatory rhetoric in right-wing spaces. But I’m sure you’re already doing that too.
He may vote no but Schumer will round up enough votes for it to pass. And the rest will stand back claiming they did their best. The entire party is complicit
Pretty much. He’ll conspire with the party to find those safe seat Republican-lite assholes and get them to “break” and pass the funding and then go “Welp I and the Democrats tried!”, just like last time with the ACA subsidies and every other time since I’ve been alive and voting for Democrats.
Dude is owned by Israel. I hope he does the right thing for once but I won’t hold my breath
The moment the current regime ends, ICE needs to be disbanded, and people has to be held accountable.
There needs to be a completely new organization for dealing with immigration, this one has been and continues to be rolling in shit so deep you can’t get the stink out.
Yeah, people need to be held accountable for war crimes to the fullest extent.
Unless we somehow miraculously manage to throw every single one of them into prison. Disbanding ICE and making a new organization just means these fuckers are going to be recycled and rebranded. Nothing will change.
ICE and DHS both need to be disbanded, they’re useless organizations whose function can be met equally or better by other groups. DHS has always been a sad joke of an agency, let the FBI/CIA, federal marshals or state troops handle that stuff. Likewise ICE has no need to exist, anything they do can just as easily be handled by some other law enforcement agency.
Worst case scenario they create a new agency with no law enforcement powers to handle immigration paperwork. Make them a pure bureaucracy that only exists to file reports and help people go through the immigration process. If someone over stays their visa then the immigration bureau can refer that person to traditional LEOs at the state or federal level. There’s no reason at all why they need a dedicated law enforcement agency purely for immigrants.
It’s good to remember that DHS was invented as a response to 9/11 during all the rush to “Keep us Safe from Terrorists” when we lost a lot of freedom and privacy. We were doing just fine without them before.
I’ll believe it when I see it. The current Democrat leadership is nothing but a bunch of flip-flopping pussies.
It goes beyond flip-flopping. It looks like a party of calculated self-sabotage. It appears Schumer organizes votes to ensure there are just enough dissenters that he and others can pretend to want the right thing but hey, what can they do, unfortunately they just didn’t get enough votes. Every time. All that changes is who they pick to be on dissent duty.
You’ll see it for about a week before some Democrats “care about the American people’s* suffering” and vote with their Republican party to fund more ICE murders and the leadership go “well at least we tried”.
Ty hey might shut down the government for a month to only do nothing. Don’t forget that.
DNC will need to do a lot of work before i believe they’re anything but controlled opposition.
I think if they weren’t they would have rebranded into a different party by now.
Schiff: it’s not just GOP members who will see more Americans die. Is this comeback really the extent of what you’re willing to do? The people you’re berating this way see this as a feature, not a flaw. They have no issues with the “wrong type” of American dying like this.
Maybe refuse to caucus with anyone who doesn’t support your NEW bill removing the funding granted by the one YOU JUST SUPPORTED?
He didn’t support the ice bill that I can tell. There were 7 democrats and he wasn’t on the list.
