So much focus on the idea that the ICE crackdown is a distraction from the Epstein files makes me wonder if it isn’t the other way around-get people to focus on the idea of a cover up that they don’t resist a fascist takeover as effectively as they otherwise might.

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    You think too unilaterally.

    Everything is a distraction for everything else. The entire Project 2025 strategy, summed up perfectly by that tramp-looking lardass Steve Bannon, is to “flood the zone” - that is, coming up with such a volume of such outrageous shit constantly, relentlessly, that nobody has time to follow up on anything.

    When the media latches on Epstein too much, suddenly it’s war on Venezuela. When Venezuela raises too many questions, oops: now it’s murders in Minneapolis. When Minneapolis becomes too hot, back to Epstein.
    Etc etc.
    Ad nauseam.

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      Oops, seems like Trump is going to steal 10 billion dollars from United States by suing the IRS.

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      There is ALWAYS too much crapvgoing on. and the news changes focus every time anything even begins to feel remotely stale.

      Meaning, it’s not just Republicans who are part of the problem. Sensationalist news plays right into their hands.

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      Ngl, Trump sticking his finger into countless little girls vaginas to measure depth and tightness to determine auction value is pretty fucking distracting.

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    pretty sure those files would uncover a LOT of bad shit. rape, murder, human trafficking etc etc from essentially the ‘elite’ all across the globe. FFS they threw kids bodies into lakes, and that’s only what they released. there is probably torture, forced druggings, executions, decapitations etc etc etc… I’d bet the things they do make isis look tame.

    everything is a serious issue, and they are using each thing to distract from each other. flood you with info so you can’t keep track of anything.

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    I am not USian. I live in one of the countries that the United States recently bombed (figure which). I sincerely ask USians: Is what is in those papers really much worse than everything the administration is already doing and is going to do to you and all the world?

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      In a sane world, any one of the atrocities would be enough to put a stop to these people.

      In a realistic world, shining a light on all these different atrocities would be sufficient to convince enough people to protest/threaten the power of the spineless patricians who refuse to convict and remove the fascists from power. For example if Billy Bob the redneck says “I’m fine with kidnapping brown people but fiddling kids is too far!” then Epstein might convince him to support impeachment/removal.

      In the current clown world we live in, nothing that the fascists say or do will un-brainwash their base, and somehow that’s enough to prevent everyone else from making a cohesive stand against the evil.

      So to answer your question: no, it’s not worse. It’s a desperate attempt to make something start tipping the scale back toward liberty and peace.

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        There’s something that will unbrainwash a fascist, actually. It’s called a weapon. As they said just after WW2, and will continue to say many years from now.

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        So to answer your question: no, it’s not worse. It’s a desperate attempt to make something start tipping the scale back toward liberty and peace.

        I doubt that means much to people out of eyesight and earshot to whom we’ve never allowed to have the same liberty and peace.

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          Sure, and to be clear I mean a liberty and peace that includes everyone that has historically been marginalized and abused by this nation’s governments and by people who think they’re superior to everyone else.

          The problem with a melting pot (particularly one that was started by murdering and stealing land from a continent’s worth of indigenous people) is that it puts bigots right next to the people they hate.

          The benefit of a melting pot is that if the incoming generation can avoid being programmed into hatred by their parents, society trends toward true equality and equity.

          I’m trying to maintain optimism that this current extreme escalation is the flailing death throes of a generation raised into bigotry and self-aggrandization, and that we’ll come out the other side of this being a better society (the younger generations today are so much more openly altruistic and progressive on the whole).

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            I’m trying to maintain optimism that this current extreme escalation is the flailing death throes of a generation raised into bigotry and self-aggrandization, and that we’ll come out the other side of this being a better society (the younger generations today are so much more openly altruistic and progressive on the whole).

            Well, I don’t fault you for any of it. This part will require vigorously investigating, rooting out our liberal narrative, and reeducating ourselves.

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    Welcome to Trump’s ‘flooding the zone with shit’ strategy.

    Not invented by, but brought to your attention by Steve Bannon. Trump’s advisor in the 2016 campaign. He understood very clearly that winning elections don’t happen by winning from the opposition, but by winning in the voting booth. His strategy was particularly aimed at the media. Where there is one channel that just continues a stream of populist propaganda in fox, while flooding the media landscape with scandals, lies, distractions, outrage, conspiracy, fantasies, etc. He created a safe haven for conservatives, whilst keeping the general left extremely busy.

    Everything that has happened is a distraction from establishing a fascist state. Everything is theatre, everything is meant for tv. Nobody cares about the real life consequences, as long as the theatre keeps people engaged, enraged and not looking behind the screens.

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    I don’t think that’s the case. I think this is all connected to the FACT that israel is a hostile foreign power who is literally milking America dry. When Americans ask for the social safety nets we pay for Israelis to have were told it’s “Marxism”

    We the American taxpayers

    pay for Israeli citizens to get free universal healthcare, a $400 payment per child per month until they are18 and free college and a blank check for war and genocide.

    Don’t worry we get a lot out of it because they are our “friends”. Such good friends in fact that they funded Epstein and ghisline to run a child sex trafficking ring to blackmail our politicians. That’s totally something a friend would do not a hostile foreign power that wants to bleed us dry for their imperial ambitions. You mad? You should be.

    The IDF is training ICE

    This technology was developed by palantir to assist Israel with their settler colonialist genocide target Palestinians, journalists and children

    Our politicians are still being blackmailed by Israeli intelligence because Epstein and Ghisline were Mossad

    Washington is literally occupied by Israeli assets

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/retired-green-beret-whistleblower-claims-ice-trains-israel-bring-apartheid-tactics-us-1769427

    https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/palantir-allegedly-enables-israels-ai-targeting-amid-israels-war-in-gaza-raising-concerns-over-war-crimes/

    https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/12/epstein_israel

    https://www.trackaipac.com/congress

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/75-democrats-express-gratitude-to-ice-in-antisemitism-vote-amid-la-riots/ar-AA1GoYn7

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      Fun fact for Aussies. The largest retirement fund in Australia is Australian Super. Probably no surprise their standard balanced offering invests in Elbit Systems and weapons companies. But in 2025 they reclassified their ethical “Socially Conscious” investment from “Include companies that make more than 10% profit from” weapons shady shit. To now read “No more than 50%” and that’s profit not turnover. Also both their socially conscious and Aware Super ethical both include Palantir among their investments. So basically any investment in them is an investment in all the BS.

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      It makes you wonder if our ancestors were into something whenever they tried to erase the ‘chosen tribe of god’ from their lands over and over again…

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    The files are a distraction from themselves.

    Everybody is worried about which powerful people will be embarrassed. Nobody is asking: does this sort of thing still go on? Or How can we prevent billionaires from snatching teenagers off the streets?

    Because our society only pretends to care about the victims of sexual abuse. We talk about how we hate rapists and pedophiles, but our actions betray the truth.

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      I’m inclined to believe Epstein was working for Israel and he’s not the only agent doing this… they’re not gonna only have one “employee”…

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    I think they are more or less. Like everything in them is monstrous and the people who perpetrated it deserve to be uncovered, but its also dangling the ‘easy’ solution to Trump in front of people. You’re less likely to do something substantial to resist the admin if you think any day now the bombshell is going to shatter their hold on power. Doesn’t matter how real the bomb is if waiting for it to go off stops you from using other means to save people now.

    The more power Trump amasses through ICE, the less likely the Epstein files will ever make an impact. I guess my real thought is that getting justice for the crimes in the Epstein files depends on breaking their hold on power first, and not the other way around. Its real, its important, we should care about it, but it is not a means to also defeating fascism

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    I don’t think Trump himself is doing it—but I think the people around him see it as a plus that it will likely be the Epstein scandal that eventually brings him down, because it will release the political pressure while leaving the rest his administration and policies unscathed.

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    It will take years to do an actual criminal case so it’s not like Trump has to care about that, he can also pay to stall that forever

    The only thing the Epstein files could do is trigger an impeachment and if the files that exist havnt done that so far do you honestly think more files will?

    He already defeated Epstein

  • I have a better & never heard before, let alone thought of before-

    What if all of ‘The Crazy Don’s & his administration’s sick & evil actions are distractions for each other & goals, with the goal of getting as many of them as possible done.