Disagree. This is the result of decades more bullshit from other american presidents, political figures, and 3 lettered organizations ran by ghoulish wastes of skin. There have been many famous people who have been outspoken about this shit in that time too. 9/11 and America’s batshit insane reaction to it was just more of the same dumb bullshit the rest of the world has come to expect from it’s governments and citizenry.
I posted 6 words. you somehow didn’t read half of them.
And to be honest, @[email protected] is probably right, since I was thinking of the broader surveillance world etc, not the current offensive by Russia against the world.
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
I think even Reagan fully bought into the trickle down bullshit and thought he was doing the right thing for America and Americans by paving the way for corporate oligarchy.
I think W (from his perspective at the time) justified our invasion of Iraq with both liberating the people and reducing our reliance on Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The orange tyrant doesn’t give that much of a fuck. He doesn’t need to have anything sold to him other than his own name.
You’re so preoccupied with your knee jerk anticommunism that you’re doing revisionist, apologist history for the Reagan administration. Was Reagan doing what he thought was the best for the people when participating in the Iran Contra affair? Come on, the US is a country that has always operated to secure its own imperialist hegemony since it became a global super power. Every single government since the start of the Cold War has operated to do that by any means necessary, even committing genocide and propping up fascist regimes worldwide.
You mean the people who kept threatening people with nukes? The people who proliferated atomic weapons giga? The ones who did 56 military interventions (old figure btw, doesn’t include Venezuela, for example) in South America post WW2? The one that proliferated military bases all across the world? The Bay of Pigs people? The ones that invaded Vietnam because they were bored? The people who made North Korea the most bombed place ever? Coup in Guatemala so that bananas were cheap? The people who would rather destroy civilization than coexist with the USSR? You’re saying that system worked relatively well? I’m saying that they were barbaric up to and through current events.
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
I see. I agree that Trump is different to the ones that came before (except Andrew Jackson) , and I agree that the tankies are trying to claim it’s been like this, but this kind of shit has been pretty common in US history. And so has the opposite. Sometimes administrations are tainted by the populus or take wrong turns in otherwise good administrations, but there’s usually some bullshit somewhere. Even people like FDR have things they fucked up.
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off. And just isn’t true, the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but with controls on the system and governed by mostly reason, we did make the most prosperous working class the world has every seen by a large margin. Now gone, chiseled away by the CPI having been understated for half a century averaging 2-3 percent a year just by 2008 under the new measures, while it was 5-8 percent under the old.
That was not a good faith change, it was done to steal from working people at every level and stage, and give to investors, and no one questions it even still, as the ivy league suits tell us our buying power has never been higher, when that clearly isn’t true.
The post war economy created the most prosperous working class in history but at whose expense?
The entire post-war period is littered with the US toppling third world anti-imperial movements for the sake of bolstering its position in the world/gaining economic advantage. It’s a farce. It was unsustainable. It required the slaughter of countless people to hold up that US economy. And that’s not even getting to the modern imperialist project held up by the IMF, forcing disadvantaged nations to essentially fully give themselves over to American corporations with no material gain on their part.
Eh, that was a different, tangential thing. This arc started in 2015 when Russia figured out how to manipulate social media while absolutely no one was guarding against it.
I’d say it goes all the way back to Reagan and almost every single policy he had that weakened the absolute fuck out of average US citizens, while allowing the influence of the rich to grow to insane levels.
It was salvageable up until House and Senate leaders like Gingrich, Ryan and later O’Connell started playing identity and obstacle politics with Democrat presidents in particular. Around 2010 it really accelerated.
I’d argue a lot of the seeds were planted with 9/11 and later 2008 finical crises that Russia would later exploit when the GOP attempted to use Obama to retcon Bush from history.
It goes back further than that.
this current arc starts with 9/11.
That was only the half season. It starts at least in 1981 (Reagan + Thatcher)
1971 Business Roundtable is the genesis of the long game to overturn liberal democracy’s gains for working people.
Disagree. This is the result of decades more bullshit from other american presidents, political figures, and 3 lettered organizations ran by ghoulish wastes of skin. There have been many famous people who have been outspoken about this shit in that time too. 9/11 and America’s batshit insane reaction to it was just more of the same dumb bullshit the rest of the world has come to expect from it’s governments and citizenry.
I posted 6 words. you somehow didn’t read half of them.
And to be honest, @[email protected] is probably right, since I was thinking of the broader surveillance world etc, not the current offensive by Russia against the world.
It’s funny. We’re awash in terrible things happening in and from America, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. It’s almost like they have an agenda.
not sure I follow what this means
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
I think even Reagan fully bought into the trickle down bullshit and thought he was doing the right thing for America and Americans by paving the way for corporate oligarchy.
I think W (from his perspective at the time) justified our invasion of Iraq with both liberating the people and reducing our reliance on Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The orange tyrant doesn’t give that much of a fuck. He doesn’t need to have anything sold to him other than his own name.
lol. lmao even.
Christ, what a bootlicker.
You’re so preoccupied with your knee jerk anticommunism that you’re doing revisionist, apologist history for the Reagan administration. Was Reagan doing what he thought was the best for the people when participating in the Iran Contra affair? Come on, the US is a country that has always operated to secure its own imperialist hegemony since it became a global super power. Every single government since the start of the Cold War has operated to do that by any means necessary, even committing genocide and propping up fascist regimes worldwide.
From @[email protected]
I see. I agree that Trump is different to the ones that came before (except Andrew Jackson) , and I agree that the tankies are trying to claim it’s been like this, but this kind of shit has been pretty common in US history. And so has the opposite. Sometimes administrations are tainted by the populus or take wrong turns in otherwise good administrations, but there’s usually some bullshit somewhere. Even people like FDR have things they fucked up.
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off. And just isn’t true, the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but with controls on the system and governed by mostly reason, we did make the most prosperous working class the world has every seen by a large margin. Now gone, chiseled away by the CPI having been understated for half a century averaging 2-3 percent a year just by 2008 under the new measures, while it was 5-8 percent under the old.
That was not a good faith change, it was done to steal from working people at every level and stage, and give to investors, and no one questions it even still, as the ivy league suits tell us our buying power has never been higher, when that clearly isn’t true.
The post war economy created the most prosperous working class in history but at whose expense?
The entire post-war period is littered with the US toppling third world anti-imperial movements for the sake of bolstering its position in the world/gaining economic advantage. It’s a farce. It was unsustainable. It required the slaughter of countless people to hold up that US economy. And that’s not even getting to the modern imperialist project held up by the IMF, forcing disadvantaged nations to essentially fully give themselves over to American corporations with no material gain on their part.
Eh, that was a different, tangential thing. This arc started in 2015 when Russia figured out how to manipulate social media while absolutely no one was guarding against it.
I’d say it goes all the way back to Reagan and almost every single policy he had that weakened the absolute fuck out of average US citizens, while allowing the influence of the rich to grow to insane levels.
This all goes back to Nixon. When he resigned the Republicans decided hard line fascism is better than losing again.
Somewhere in the middle.
It was salvageable up until House and Senate leaders like Gingrich, Ryan and later O’Connell started playing identity and obstacle politics with Democrat presidents in particular. Around 2010 it really accelerated.
Based on what you’re saying
tin foil hat applied
It was accelerated by OBAMA!!!
Not Obama, just that that’s when Citizens United passed. The same thing that caused fascism in Germany, the same thing that caused fascism in Italy.
Get out of here with that logical statement! Let the people who caused it blame Obama!
I’d argue a lot of the seeds were planted with 9/11 and later 2008 finical crises that Russia would later exploit when the GOP attempted to use Obama to retcon Bush from history.