Probably better to describe it as “fairness”. Maybe even “stubbornness” The problem with justice/fairness is that it is ultimately subjective. And a 10-year-old’s view of fairness is often divorced from principles of personal safety or propriety.

You’ll see this problem with adult libertarians all the time. Everything from seat belts to sales taxes to dress codes intrude on their sense of fairness, largely because they’ve ingested enormous volumes of propaganda. The real joke of it is when the term “social justice” impugnes your sense of personal justice. Same with the social conservatives who get up in arms over “illegal” immigration and desegregation, environmental regulations and speed limits, prohibitions on state sanctioned religious education, and age limits on who you can marry.

A sense of justice is a very plastic (especially at a young age) and perspective oriented. Wars have been fought and rivers of blood spilled over a population’s conviction of their own righteousness.

BMW drivers not signaling should get their car taken away.

It’s built by and for psychopaths instead.

Unironocally yes.

The point is the average person doesn’t give a shit. That’s the baseline. It’s why without enforcement, no one follows rules detrimental to themselves. It’s why going 50 in a 50 is considered ridiculous.

The fact that it even pisses you off enough to write that out is evidence enough lol. Maybe. Not the one thing by itself…

Source: Late diagnosed adhd, probably autistic, said the same kind of things as you before I realized I’m just… not typical

No, it’s a well-documented phenomenon called Justice Sensitivity. It can even be graded on a scale, like any other symptom of ADHD or autism. It is part of the diagnostic criteria.

Basically, lots of ADHD/autistic people tend to dislike rules, feeling like they’re restrictive for no reason… Unless they know why the rule exists. But if they know why it exists, they often tend to treat the rule as gospel, and get extremely angry and/or resentful when others don’t follow the rule. They’ll have a strong urge to correct perceived injustices, even if the injustice was relatively small or benign. “Life isn’t fair” is something that many people with ADHD/autism hear a lot, because it’s often the go-to response from neurotypicals whenever they start complaining about injustice. There’s a reason people with ADHD and autism disproportionately work as activists.

I’d also posit my unqualified opinion¹ too: I think it’s the idea that the rules are inconsistent. You try to follow a system that everyone says is “blind” and impartial, only to see it just got Lasik and is very, very partial to particular people. The dissonance between experiencing injustice and insistent claims that the civilized world is fair.

If all cultures codified that “money buys clemency”, there’d be a lot fewer outbursts about how unfair things are.

¹ I’m probably not autistic, just have a lot of autistic friends.

I mean, it could be argued that neurotypicals are simply the most cohesive minority. They only account for ~40% of people, because ~60% have some sort of mental disorder. The only reason neurotypicals are the default are because they’re the largest cohesive and exclusive group. If it were a Venn diagram, 60% would be a bunch of smaller (often overlapping) circles, while the remaining 40% would be off to the side in its own circle.

So if you’re going to make assumptions about someone you just met, (and we all make assumptions. That’s how socializing works), it makes sense to assume that the person is probably in the largest group that doesn’t overlap with any of the other groups. So “neurotypical” is used as the default until we know more about the person. Not because they’re the majority, but simply because the 40% group is the easiest, most straightforward, least messy assumption to make.

Nah. Perceived injustice can motivate a variety of feelings and behaviors. Not all of them helpful. Not all of them good (B. Pine, C. White, M. Eisenhardt, et al).

This blows my mind. Makes so much sense! edit: forgot to thank you for posting this :). Thanks!

I’m vegan, btw.

Yes, but do you use Arch Linux?

For me it’s cops, I get a damn near aneurysm every time I hear ‘they’re not all like that’. Have we learnt nothing?!?

Viscerally.

Well, kinda a combination of all of it, but when people are being greedy, selfish, ass holes instead of kind and fair and just trying to make the world or community a better place for everyone in it rather than just themselves or those they know there is an unyielding rage that begins to stir wants to MAKE them be fair and kind.

I feel this. My job is surrounded by one-way streets, with angled back-in parking everywhere. So you don’t even need to parallel park, you just back into the spots to park, and then pull straight out (matching the direction of traffic on the one-way street) when you leave. It’s literally all the best parts of parallel parking, with none of the downsides.

We regularly have people pull u-turns on the one-way streets to park nose-in. No amount of signs have helped, because you can’t make people read. It’s a ticketable offense, (same as if you had parallel parked facing the wrong direction on a one-way street) and the local PD regularly makes sweeps every few hours to check… And they’ll easily ticket 10-20 people on busy days. There have even been instances where the cop was standing there writing a ticket for it, when someone pulled in right next to them. And then they’d argue with the cop that they should be allowed to park however they want.

At first, seeing people swing super wide to pull into the spots would piss me off. Then for a while it was amusing, because I knew I’d get to see them rage about the ticket on their windshield while I sit in my office. But now it’s just disappointing. Like every time I see it, I lose a little more faith in humanity. The old joke about “make something idiot-proof and they’ll invent a better idiot” always rings true.

My nephew is autistic, and when he was little (and his parents were basically in denial about it) he kept getting kicked out of schools because he’d punch kids that change the rules in the middle of a game. They ended up having to home school him