It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt. Be very careful which rights you are willing to throw away. You might also need them one day.
The fact that they can commit those crimes with complete immunity, though, does negate our rights. It’s hard to take seriously the idea that they’re guilty of a crime when nobody ever gets arrested for it.
Seriously, every time I hear someone say “that’s illegal, they can’t do that” i want to bang my head against a wall. Watch them, they just did! So many people are stuck in this naive mindset of “what does the rulebook say” while governments correctly understand that in reality, the only question that matters is “who’s gonna stop me”.
I’m sorry for what they’ve done, my condolences and I hope things get better for you soon
That’s true. Your rights are not inalienable. The only way you get to keep them, is if you fight for them every time there’s an election. If you’re not voting for the candidate who will actually respect your rights, then you may as well be giving them away.
According to the regime there was no crime committed. They are permitted to shoot and kill anyone they want and there are no legal means of redress, they have total immunity. In what world does that sound like a “right” to you?
It doesn’t sound right to me. It sounds like a crime…which is what I called it. And as much as they’re acting like they have total immunity…they don’t.
But they do. Very obviously they do. You can call it a crime all you like, but you’re just some loser on the internet. The actual powers that be have made it clear that it was not a crime
If there is no legal recourse for people brutalized by ICE, then it is de jure legal for them to do anything they want.
Remember what you said: “It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt.” It demonstrably doesn’t prevent him from arresting, or killing, his political opponents.
He can, in fact, arrest his political opponents. He’s doing it right now. There’s no legal mechanism to stop him.
Ok, so have you just not been paying attention? Or are you just expecting things to happen instantaneously? They keep trying to do the things you say they’re getting away with…but they aren’t. You just have to keep watching. These things take time…and yes, that means some of what they’re doing isn’t getting stopped before it happens. But that also doesn’t mean they’re “getting away with it”, any more than when anyone else commits a crime.
You specifically used the word “prevent” but, if you have been paying attention, we aren’t seeing prevention. What we see are our rights being violated by the regime and then the Courts ordering them to stop. That’s not prevention.
Also, I won’t hold my breath. I don’t think Renée Good’s murderer will face accountability under this regime.
Maybe if we are allowed to have elections and different people take power we’ll see prosecutions, but that just demonstrates the point we’re trying to make to you. Whoever is in charge decides what the law is and what rights you have, and while Trump is in charge he decides that his Gestapo has a right to murder anyone they want. If he loses power, that might change.
It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt.
tell that to the people who were/are in ice custody (especially the american citizens); trump & epstein have proven (again) that the oligarchy can simply operate outside the scope of the law whenever it suits them any such rights can be easily disregarded.
That isn’t true. They can only operate outside the law, if they can keep their activities a secret. As soon as you shine a spotlight on them, they scurry like cockroaches.
And nearly all the cases that are brought to court, result in rulings against the Trump administration. They keep trying to break the law, and in some cases they get away with it temporarily…but in the long run, they keep losing.
“Rights” are made up. Weve already established its rules for us, but not for them. “Rights” are phrased as a privilege, and if you pester the ruling class you get them taken away, but you never had them in the first place. Idk if you noticed, but voting hasnt put a decent president in office in over ten years. This is just civility culture lightly disguised. If justice needs done, theres only one way that it is going to get done, and thats not by endless appeals to the ruling class.
The “ruling class” only has the power it has right now, because people are not as engaged as they should be, in the process. Our apathy has given them that power.
As for our “rights”…those need to be maintained and defended at all times. We see them slipping away for the same reason we have corrupt politicians in power.
Apathy.
This doesn’t mean the system is broken. It just means we aren’t using it to our own advantage. We’ve allowed someone else to do that, in our absence.
The ruling class has power because they are the dominant class, controlling the principle aspects of the economy and the state. A more engaged working class within the confines of a capitalist system will not actually make the difference you think it will. It isn’t a question of moral apathy, but a real, material process and system with real imbalances.
The ruling class has power because they are the dominant class, controlling the principle aspects of the economy and the state.
The opposite is actually true. The working class is actually the real driving force behind the economy and the state. We represent the majority. That gives us the real power.
A more engaged working class within the confines of a capitalist system will not actually make the difference you think it will.
This is also not true. As the majority, the working class has far more leverage than you think. We can stop production any time. Pull the whole thing down, or start it back up again. The only reason we don’t exercise that power is because we are not engaged.
It isn’t a question of moral apathy, but a real, material process and system with real imbalances.
You are correct…it isn’t about “moral apathy”…it’s about political apathy. The “real, material process and system of imbalances” only exists because the working class chooses not to exercise its power.
The opposite is actually true. The working class is actually the real driving force behind the economy and the state. We represent the majority. That gives us the real power.
The working classes are what actually creates new value, yes, but we do not control the economy nor the state. The state, in capitalism, exists to protect capitalists, and cement their ownership. We do not control the economy, we merely fuel it, until we can establish socialism by overthrowing the capitalist state and replacing it with a socialist one.
This is also not true. As the majority, the working class has far more leverage than you think. We can stop production any time. Pull the whole thing down, or start it back up again. The only reason we don’t exercise that power is because we are not engaged.
Strikes are helpful, as is organizing. This isn’t acting within the confines of the system, though, but struggling against it. The reason we don’t isn’t because we are apathetic, but because we aren’t organized.
You are correct…it isn’t about “moral apathy”…it’s about political apathy. The “real, material process and system of imbalances” only exists because the working class chooses not to exercise its power.
Incorrect. It isn’t the working classes failing to choose, and again, you’re under the mistaken assumption that the working classes can direct capitalism. You are making a moral judgement of the working classes, but instead we need to actively organize.
the high bar of proof is not an accident since it keeps lets the oligarchs go free.
It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt. Be very careful which rights you are willing to throw away. You might also need them one day.
They blew a woman’s head off for the crime of talking back.
But tell me more about our rights.
Them committing crimes doesn’t negate your rights. It just makes them guilty of violating them.
The fact that they can commit those crimes with complete immunity, though, does negate our rights. It’s hard to take seriously the idea that they’re guilty of a crime when nobody ever gets arrested for it.
The bill of rights is toilet paper unless you’re a billionaire
Rights are imaginary, it’s always just been a question of power
I couldnt agree more! If they dont have a valid reason to fuck up your life, they will make it up!
Governments dont care about us or the consequenves of THEIR actions!
I almost killed myself after what they did to me, and its not over yet…
Thats what they did to me
Seriously, every time I hear someone say “that’s illegal, they can’t do that” i want to bang my head against a wall. Watch them, they just did! So many people are stuck in this naive mindset of “what does the rulebook say” while governments correctly understand that in reality, the only question that matters is “who’s gonna stop me”.
I’m sorry for what they’ve done, my condolences and I hope things get better for you soon
That’s true. Your rights are not inalienable. The only way you get to keep them, is if you fight for them every time there’s an election. If you’re not voting for the candidate who will actually respect your rights, then you may as well be giving them away.
This has to be parody. It’s too on the nose to be real
Within the boundaries of capitalism, no candidate cares about working class rights, because the parties represent capital.
Right alone does not translate to political power.
According to the regime there was no crime committed. They are permitted to shoot and kill anyone they want and there are no legal means of redress, they have total immunity. In what world does that sound like a “right” to you?
It doesn’t sound right to me. It sounds like a crime…which is what I called it. And as much as they’re acting like they have total immunity…they don’t.
But they do. Very obviously they do. You can call it a crime all you like, but you’re just some loser on the internet. The actual powers that be have made it clear that it was not a crime
If there is no legal recourse for people brutalized by ICE, then it is de jure legal for them to do anything they want.
Remember what you said: “It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt.” It demonstrably doesn’t prevent him from arresting, or killing, his political opponents.
He can, in fact, arrest his political opponents. He’s doing it right now. There’s no legal mechanism to stop him.
Lol they think the democrats are trump’s political opponents, that’s why they’re confused
Ok, so have you just not been paying attention? Or are you just expecting things to happen instantaneously? They keep trying to do the things you say they’re getting away with…but they aren’t. You just have to keep watching. These things take time…and yes, that means some of what they’re doing isn’t getting stopped before it happens. But that also doesn’t mean they’re “getting away with it”, any more than when anyone else commits a crime.
Lol, this is Qanon shit now. “Just watch and see! The Storm is coming any day now!”
I think you are aiding, abetting, and providing material comfort, in addition to obstructing justice.
You specifically used the word “prevent” but, if you have been paying attention, we aren’t seeing prevention. What we see are our rights being violated by the regime and then the Courts ordering them to stop. That’s not prevention.
Also, I won’t hold my breath. I don’t think Renée Good’s murderer will face accountability under this regime.
Maybe if we are allowed to have elections and different people take power we’ll see prosecutions, but that just demonstrates the point we’re trying to make to you. Whoever is in charge decides what the law is and what rights you have, and while Trump is in charge he decides that his Gestapo has a right to murder anyone they want. If he loses power, that might change.
tell that to the people who were/are in ice custody (especially the american citizens); trump & epstein have proven (again) that the oligarchy can simply operate outside the scope of the law whenever it suits them any such rights can be easily disregarded.
That isn’t true. They can only operate outside the law, if they can keep their activities a secret. As soon as you shine a spotlight on them, they scurry like cockroaches.
And nearly all the cases that are brought to court, result in rulings against the Trump administration. They keep trying to break the law, and in some cases they get away with it temporarily…but in the long run, they keep losing.
Yeah man, they’re losing so hard right now. Lol
The law in capitalism is in service of capitalists, they control the state.
there’s plenty of examples where it is true.
the most recent one is the epstein illuminati broke many laws and only the sacrificial lambs will suffer any repercussions, if at all.
a decades old one is that none of the police who bombed the black panthers were held accountable.
both were illegal and both had the light of public scrutiny of it and none of the people committing those acts experienced repercussions.
“Rights” are made up. Weve already established its rules for us, but not for them. “Rights” are phrased as a privilege, and if you pester the ruling class you get them taken away, but you never had them in the first place. Idk if you noticed, but voting hasnt put a decent president in office in over ten years. This is just civility culture lightly disguised. If justice needs done, theres only one way that it is going to get done, and thats not by endless appeals to the ruling class.
10 years?! Ever.
The “ruling class” only has the power it has right now, because people are not as engaged as they should be, in the process. Our apathy has given them that power.
As for our “rights”…those need to be maintained and defended at all times. We see them slipping away for the same reason we have corrupt politicians in power.
Apathy.
This doesn’t mean the system is broken. It just means we aren’t using it to our own advantage. We’ve allowed someone else to do that, in our absence.
The ruling class has power because they are the dominant class, controlling the principle aspects of the economy and the state. A more engaged working class within the confines of a capitalist system will not actually make the difference you think it will. It isn’t a question of moral apathy, but a real, material process and system with real imbalances.
It’s interesting that you don’t see all the contradictions you laid out in your comment.
Lol. Go back to fucking Reddit
What contradictions?
The opposite is actually true. The working class is actually the real driving force behind the economy and the state. We represent the majority. That gives us the real power.
This is also not true. As the majority, the working class has far more leverage than you think. We can stop production any time. Pull the whole thing down, or start it back up again. The only reason we don’t exercise that power is because we are not engaged.
You are correct…it isn’t about “moral apathy”…it’s about political apathy. The “real, material process and system of imbalances” only exists because the working class chooses not to exercise its power.
Lol, weren’t you just saying that everyone just needs to go vote?
The working classes are what actually creates new value, yes, but we do not control the economy nor the state. The state, in capitalism, exists to protect capitalists, and cement their ownership. We do not control the economy, we merely fuel it, until we can establish socialism by overthrowing the capitalist state and replacing it with a socialist one.
Strikes are helpful, as is organizing. This isn’t acting within the confines of the system, though, but struggling against it. The reason we don’t isn’t because we are apathetic, but because we aren’t organized.
Incorrect. It isn’t the working classes failing to choose, and again, you’re under the mistaken assumption that the working classes can direct capitalism. You are making a moral judgement of the working classes, but instead we need to actively organize.