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    Are americans waking up and smelling the shit in their bed?

    Unfortunately, I expect nothing to come from this and americans to continue not learning their lesson.

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    I don’t want to go on a rant, but every time we say we’ve changed since the 60’/70’s/80’s/etc I ask okay, did the perpetrators of crimes back then be made to pay for their crimes? How can we say we’ve changed if we allow people who committed those crimes to walk scot free? This extends even to crimes committed against foreign nations; if we don’t prosecute the guilty, how can we say we changed? It’s just making excuses and protecting the guilty.

    Now it’s all coming home to roost.

    If you want to close the chapter on this crime or that, you must prosecute the guilty, or else you create the conditions like today where people shrug their shoulders and go on with their lives. The Iraq war was a crime, was anyone in government taken to court for it? The boarding schools for indigenous people was a crime, did anyone get taken to court for it? The experimentations on people was a crime, did anyone get taken to court for it? Bush Senior’s response to shooting down an Iranian passenger jet and murdering people was “I’m not an apologize for America kind of guy”, and LIBS were defending him when he died. On and on.

    We don’t have a culture of holding politicians to account, and now when it’s a politician we all hate, we feel it. We spent decades saying “that was in the past” and now we’re seeing what that actually means.

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    do most americans believe that their ruling class ever gave a shit about them ?

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      people thought communists and communist adjacent people were loonies for believing that the liberal democracies were oligarchies masqueraded as democracies, so yes Americans actually believed it.

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        Worse, it’s the Temporarily embarrassed billionaire -Most Americans think they are or will one day be apart of the top 10% of the top 1%. They don’t get that upward socioeconomic mobility has stalled out in the past twenty years.

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      Seriously, I think they have a huge sense of entitlement but can’t understand they’ve done nothing to earn it. Culturally they get bombarded with USA USA USA is number one. They high five themselves and then stop looking at the world, news. They font notice Asia working hard to improve their economies, quality life, education, inventing tech or mastering existing tech. Their parents had a good life so they should too. Not realizing the boomers prospered because the rest of the world had been bombed to shit in WW2, while the US economy never lost a building. Well Europe rebuilt, communism died, China settled their internal issues (mostly) and they all are building new things. While american investors look for more return on their investments. That USA USA chant was the wool being pulled over their eyes

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        Communism didn’t die when the current strongest nation in the world, China, is a socialist nation, something the Soviet Union never achieved and we’re watching it getting stronger by the day.
        The only thing that’s stopping communism from being spread out to the rest of the world is that the US via it’s allies (mostly Republican Chinese) still leads in tech.

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    Unfortunately the reality is, that even though there is a lot of implied criminal activity on display with the Epstein files…there still isn’t a lot of hard evidence. Without that, you aren’t likely to get a conviction in court.

    Someone mentioning a crime in an email, doesn’t count as proof that a crime occurred. It just points you in the direction you should investigate further. If you still can’t find any actual evidence to back up that allegation, then you still have no case.

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      the high bar of proof is not an accident since it keeps lets the oligarchs go free.

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        It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt. Be very careful which rights you are willing to throw away. You might also need them one day.

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            Them committing crimes doesn’t negate your rights. It just makes them guilty of violating them.

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              The fact that they can commit those crimes with complete immunity, though, does negate our rights. It’s hard to take seriously the idea that they’re guilty of a crime when nobody ever gets arrested for it.

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                I couldnt agree more! If they dont have a valid reason to fuck up your life, they will make it up!

                Governments dont care about us or the consequenves of THEIR actions!

                I almost killed myself after what they did to me, and its not over yet…

                Thats what they did to me

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                  Seriously, every time I hear someone say “that’s illegal, they can’t do that” i want to bang my head against a wall. Watch them, they just did! So many people are stuck in this naive mindset of “what does the rulebook say” while governments correctly understand that in reality, the only question that matters is “who’s gonna stop me”.

                  I’m sorry for what they’ve done, my condolences and I hope things get better for you soon

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                That’s true. Your rights are not inalienable. The only way you get to keep them, is if you fight for them every time there’s an election. If you’re not voting for the candidate who will actually respect your rights, then you may as well be giving them away.

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                  fight for them every time there’s an election.

                  This has to be parody. It’s too on the nose to be real

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                  Within the boundaries of capitalism, no candidate cares about working class rights, because the parties represent capital.

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              According to the regime there was no crime committed. They are permitted to shoot and kill anyone they want and there are no legal means of redress, they have total immunity. In what world does that sound like a “right” to you?

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                It doesn’t sound right to me. It sounds like a crime…which is what I called it. And as much as they’re acting like they have total immunity…they don’t.

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                  But they do. Very obviously they do. You can call it a crime all you like, but you’re just some loser on the internet. The actual powers that be have made it clear that it was not a crime

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                  If there is no legal recourse for people brutalized by ICE, then it is de jure legal for them to do anything they want.

                  Remember what you said: “It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt.” It demonstrably doesn’t prevent him from arresting, or killing, his political opponents.

                  He can, in fact, arrest his political opponents. He’s doing it right now. There’s no legal mechanism to stop him.

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          It also prevents people like Donald Trump from simply arresting his political opponents, based on nothing more than an accusation of guilt.

          tell that to the people who were/are in ice custody (especially the american citizens); trump & epstein have proven (again) that the oligarchy can simply operate outside the scope of the law whenever it suits them any such rights can be easily disregarded.

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            That isn’t true. They can only operate outside the law, if they can keep their activities a secret. As soon as you shine a spotlight on them, they scurry like cockroaches.

            And nearly all the cases that are brought to court, result in rulings against the Trump administration. They keep trying to break the law, and in some cases they get away with it temporarily…but in the long run, they keep losing.

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              there’s plenty of examples where it is true.

              the most recent one is the epstein illuminati broke many laws and only the sacrificial lambs will suffer any repercussions, if at all.

              a decades old one is that none of the police who bombed the black panthers were held accountable.

              both were illegal and both had the light of public scrutiny of it and none of the people committing those acts experienced repercussions.

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          “Rights” are made up. Weve already established its rules for us, but not for them. “Rights” are phrased as a privilege, and if you pester the ruling class you get them taken away, but you never had them in the first place. Idk if you noticed, but voting hasnt put a decent president in office in over ten years. This is just civility culture lightly disguised. If justice needs done, theres only one way that it is going to get done, and thats not by endless appeals to the ruling class.

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            The “ruling class” only has the power it has right now, because people are not as engaged as they should be, in the process. Our apathy has given them that power.

            As for our “rights”…those need to be maintained and defended at all times. We see them slipping away for the same reason we have corrupt politicians in power.

            Apathy.

            This doesn’t mean the system is broken. It just means we aren’t using it to our own advantage. We’ve allowed someone else to do that, in our absence.

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              The ruling class has power because they are the dominant class, controlling the principle aspects of the economy and the state. A more engaged working class within the confines of a capitalist system will not actually make the difference you think it will. It isn’t a question of moral apathy, but a real, material process and system with real imbalances.

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      The only hard evidence you need is that these people are ultra rich and control the world. Everything else is just pus leaking from their souls.