Pretty much what the title says

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    Just because something is a conspiracy doesn’t mean it is a lie.

    Most conspiracy theories are lies/delusions, but look at the real projects like MKULTRA, they sound like insane conspiracy theories, but are real.

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      Difference between:

      Conspiracy and Conspiracy Theory

      Theories can be proven to be true, or can be just a baseless claim.

      Out of the many conspiracy theories, there are some that will be proven to be true.

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    Michael Parenti, Dirty Truths

    Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.

    Aaron Good, American Exception: Empire and the Deep State

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    Why would the government spend resources on spying on feminist groups and/or black people social clubs? They pose literally zero danger to the interests of the ruling class?

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      Why would the government spend resources on spying on feminist groups and/or black people social clubs? They pose literally zero danger to the interests of the ruling class?

      Respectfully, that take is naive as fuck. Considering the political climate then (and even now), it’s not hard to see how groups of citizens banding together for collective actions can easily disrupt the gravy train of the money class. Look at how quickly shit gets done in places like France when they have a general strike.

      A mass of citizens banding together will ALWAYS be a threat to the ruling class. Because the ruling class only rules as long as the population is willing to let them rule, because their rule requires the citizenry to enforce and uphold the system.

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        I mean, its either trolling, or some people just have that much trouble trying to understand a concept. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be born with a baseline ability to learn things. Or some people are just in denial. I mean, if you suddenly learn, that the people in power have been doing a lot of sinister things, its hard to accept that reality.

        Edit: Okay its a troll

        Mods logs is wild.

        Removed Post Is that Holocaust photo a forgery? reason: Trolling

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          Mods logs is wild.

          Really? Out of hundreds of posts and comments I have made, a literal couple of posts that did not land well make the log “wild”? And color me a troll altogether? Congratulations on your thought process.

          Removed Post Is that Holocaust photo a forgery? reason: Trolling

          CW Holocaust

          I was right about that photo not being a gas chamber and the bodies not having been killed in Dachau. They were imported from elsewhere to be cremated. And the Wikipedia statement stands, the Sonderkommando clandestine photos are perhaps the only ones depicting events around the gas chambers, and were taken with risk of life by a Greek Sonderkommando. Now if some people can’t stand discussing Holocaust history in detail before jumping to unwarranted “Holocaust denialism” accusations, then what is left to say? Good for you. Despite me citing by name all the major killing centers in Eastern Poland. But this is the standards you people uphold: mentioning Holocaust = Holocaust denial. W h a t e v e r.


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      We also have the Snowden revelations… They also snoop on regular “normal” citizens, non-citizens and about everyone.

      And concerning the “why”: I guess if your job is to spy on people, and you have a big budget available, you do just that. And it’s “better” to do more surveillance, than to miss something. Ideally you’d do total surveillance. Only thing stopping that is law and maybe some supervisory board.

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      Nawww so innocent…

      This was back in peak Racism/Anti women rights times, the simple fact they were in a group, talking to each other about god knows what was enough of a threat to these thin skinned assholes to warrant wasting money and time on this.