• nimpnin@sopuli.xyz
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      2 months ago

      The same plot with a more reasonable y-axis:

      Active users (monthly is what you should be looking at) is very slowly declining, however we are still above the level that we were before the most recent influx.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.org
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          December changed the way active users were counting, adding the votes on top of posts and comments

          February was LW applying that update

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            2 months ago

            Oh so they are not new users coming in? Well that paints a pretty different picture then

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      I’ve BEEN saying this for a while now. How Lemmy users need to welcome new people with interests that are different than their own. People from different generations than their own.

      I’ve given ideas how to make starting an account easier. The concept of picking a home instance for someone who’s never heard terms like “instance”, “federated” or “decentralized” can be quite intimidating to start. And if you fuck up, and randomly choose the wrong instance? You have to start over. All your comment history gets left behind.

      So people are going to choose the most active instance, trusting the idea that OTHER people know what they’re doing.

      I gave the idea that Lemmy needs to adopt standards across all instances so you can push a button and move your account. All your data would come with you.

      Instead I was given a list of technical reasons why it would never work. The basis of these reasons came down to “it won’t work because it would be a lot of work”.

      I hear a lot of people on here complain about corporate greed, and enshitification, but you gotta admit that they do get shit done.

      In 2010 Steve Jobs was reviewing the new iphone prototype. Jobs said he wanted it slimmer, and wanted it airtight. The developers said it was pretty airtight, and there was no more room inside to make it slimmer.

      Essentially telling Jobs that his demands were not going to be met because it would be a lot of work. So Jobs stood up, grabbed the prototype, walked to a fish tank, and dropped it in. It sank, and bubbles came out. Thus destroying it.

      He said “See that? Bubbles. There’s air inside, which means there’s room inside. It also not airtight. Make it smaller, and make it airtight.” Then he left the room. When it released to the public, the final design was smaller, and airtight.

      Not saying it WON’T be hard work to make true account migration a reality, but it IS possible. The developers just figuratively need their prototype dunked in a metaphorical fish tank.

      Because until this process is easier, and users are greeted with a friendlier userbase, people are just going to sign up, realize they fucked up, realize the experience isn’t great, and leave. If they have access to reddit, they will leave.

      It seems everytime I search for a topic all the results are from a year ago. Which suggests to me that reddit fucked up, users exploded here, gave it a chance, disliked it, and left.

      Meanwhile, I point out just SOME of the glaring problems. But instead of embracing the problem and starting a think tank on how to fix it, my posts are instead turned into an echo chamber of how wrong I am. How the ideas will never work, and the problems presented persist to this day.

      All because I’m thinking from the perspective of the normie 95%, and not the linux minded 5%. Which really places an artificial self installed glass ceiling on top of you.

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        but you gotta admit that they do get shit done.

        I opened Reddit again today to have a look at my local city sub, where I’m an (inactive) mod, the interface to moderate now offers a terrible experience. Bloated, clunky, slow. So I’m not so sure they get things done.

        All your comment history gets left behind.

        What’s the big deal with you leaving an old account behind? Lemmy has no karma, if you keep the same username (and even more with the same picture), people are going to recognize you, you can even add links to both accounts in the bio to make sure. I’m on probably my 10th alt, people still recognize me from time to time, whatever the account.

        Instead I was given a list of technical reasons why it would never work. The basis of these reasons came down to “it won’t work because it would be a lot of work”.

        As @[email protected] pointed out, the 2 main developers have limited time and resources. What is the community supposed to do, threaten them to leave will the vast majority finds account migration a non-critical feature?

        The concept of picking a home instance for someone who’s never heard terms like “instance”, “federated” or “decentralized” can be quite intimidating to start.

        Here’s the post I made a few days ago on /r/RedditAlternatives: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1fmuk7o/post_to_address_the_usual_criticism_about_lemmy/

        Federation is confusing, people want a single website they can go to

        Go to https://lemm.ee/

        Have a look around, see if the content and the formatting is appealing to you, register an account if you want to be able to curate your feed further

        Go to https://lemm.ee/c/[email protected] to see communities (equivalent of subs) that might be interesting to you.

        Use Voyager as a mobile app: https://www.lemmyapps.com/Voyager. When they ask for your “instance”, use “lemm.ee

        If you want more choices for apps, have a look at https://www.lemmyapps.com/

        Email has been working on a federation model for decades. People have to remember if they use Gmail or Outlook, but that’s it. It’s similar here.

        There is a whole community here who has no idea what an instance or federation is, but they still use this community, and post 100 comments every 3 days. The platform is similar enough to Reddit for them to use. And I can tell you very confidently none of them (between 100 and 150 monthly active users) use Linux.

        It seems everytime I search for a topic all the results are from a year ago.

        Of course if you ask questions on a very niche topic on a dead community nobody will answer. That’s what [email protected] threads are for, to make active communities emerge.

        There is even https://quiblr.com/ if people want more tailored suggestions

        • Dame @lemmy.ml
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          The statement about comment history is inconsiderate. People absolutely care about their content. I don’t have to know nor care for their reasons why but it is important to users.

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            You could decentralize user accounts so that they aren’t attached to any instance, or at least the account owner can move their account from one instance to another.

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              This would be way easier to implement without blockchain. Data portability doesn’t require any of the consensus mechanisms or distributed computation, even if they would result in user data being portable.

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                If your instance disappears, then how can you make sure that you could use your same username on an instance that is created after that one disappears?

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        In the last 3 months it went down by about 10,000 users. Comparing with the rate of increase in total Lemmy users, active user rate should have at least been stable. I guess we will have to wait for reddit to fuck up again for another influx. And Lemmy is only getting better with time so probably on every influx more users are going to stay.

        I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk