Not in a literal sense but apple do tend to cripple old iPhone with their newest software update. I should know i owned an iPhone 12 mini on ios 17. That little bugger stutter everytime i pull down the control centre, scrolling through safari, scrolling through app, delay when pressing keyboard and yes, the battery is above 90% iirc.
My wife’s iphone xr is even worse, granted it has been 7 years but god damn, that thing make my blood boil. Its still on ios 17, i cant imagine how slow it’s gonna be on ios 18. Battery is at 82% though but i dont think replacing battery is worth it at the moment. Just waiting for the right moment to upgrade.
I think ios 17 is just buggy on iphone 12 mini because i compared it side by side with my wife iPhone XR and hers is just fine when pulling the control centre.
Also, i think the sole problem is apple is throttling the 12 mini when it gets too warm. Its a fine phone but the battery is really bad. I have long upgraded to another phone but its just bad experience on my part. Thats all.
I’ve had the same experience. I had a 6s and an XR, and they both slowed down tremendously overnight after iOS updates (not the same one, 6s happened a few years before). Also, the update for the 6s that caused performance issues also removed/made redundant a lot of the OS features that made use of 3D Touch, because the newer phones didn’t have it anymore. For the 6s, I know it wasn’t a battery issue; I replaced that battery, and it didn’t fix them.
For a minute, battery replacements or repairs weren’t even a reasonable option, with how repair-unfriendly their phones had gotten. But afaik they’ve improved in that regard, providing official tools, parts and guidance. Also, you can call them to have them activate the Face ID module if you replace a screen, which is a big win for right-to-repair. Props to them for that!
Funny you said that because one has 4GB ram and another has 3GB ram. Plus, my wife has a 64GB model and its almost full. Performance really took a nose dive. You must have a really low bar regarding performance.
Take a look at the video. Opening app takes awhile compared to XS and multitasking is shit. Opened up a camera and go back to another app, guess what? Refreshed.
Does it matter? They made it easy to ROM and now my device gets to live on by the support of the community. That’s how tech should be. We can’t expect endless support from companies (it’s just not realistic) but if they don’t actively hinder you from owning your own device and making it somewhat modifiable, it adds a lot of life.
In the context of the iPhone XR mentioned by the post I replied to, that “official ROM” is nearly non-functional, is that really better in your opinion?
Yes. This is what im talking about. If only i can flash a lightweight os on my wife iphone and extend its life i would. Ultimately, it stuck on ios 18 with piss poor performance. Its a bad experience. Why should i contribute to another ewaste if i can help it.
It does matter because for most people that phone became e-waste around 2020. Iphones released that year got major OS upgrades till 2022 and are still getting security updates.
I do wish Apple was forced to unlock the bootloader, but for 95% of users, their phones get significantly longer support than normal.
Mate, I even lowballed the 95% number. It’s probably closer to 98-99% of smartphone users that want nothing to do with custom ROMs.
This is coming from a person who has used them on every single Android I’ve owned (including an Oneplus).
So there’s a 98% chance of a mainstream Android phone becoming ewaste within 2-3 years (admittedly, flagships now can get longer support because of pressure from Apple). If you think your iPhone is slow after 5 years, you can literally still sell it. There’s still a market for it, and it’ll continue getting at least security updates for a while. Some people report phones getting slow, but you know what? It’s a minority. Plus once you wipe it of all your shit when you sell it, it’ll be way faster again lol
So no, Apple isn’t perfect (if they were, they’d let you flash other operating systems), but first party support is still more important to 99% of people than third party support is. I keep my OP 7 Pro around because it can run Android 15 smooth as hell and I’ve got an app I want to develop eventually, but I can’t use it as my main phone these days (yay play integrity API) and on the custom ROM the battery drains pretty fast despite the phone not even having a SIM card in it and being used fairly little.
The oldest iPhone to get a security update this year is the 6s. It came out in 2015. From the company most hated for planned obsolescence. My last Android phone, the OP 7 Pro, released in 2019, got its last security update in 2022 or 2023, I forgot the exact date. Plus it took me hours to chase down the exact stock ROM I had to flash to downgrade the OS and get the bootloader unlocked last year. Oneplus had killed the downloads on their website, I ended up finding some on someone’s google drive and some through wayback machine I believe. Don’t remember which one actually worked in the end. This is NOT something a normal person would want to go through, I have ADHD and had more important work to do, which is why I ended up flashing my phone lol
Mine is 5 years old. Doing just fine.
Not in a literal sense but apple do tend to cripple old iPhone with their newest software update. I should know i owned an iPhone 12 mini on ios 17. That little bugger stutter everytime i pull down the control centre, scrolling through safari, scrolling through app, delay when pressing keyboard and yes, the battery is above 90% iirc.
My wife’s iphone xr is even worse, granted it has been 7 years but god damn, that thing make my blood boil. Its still on ios 17, i cant imagine how slow it’s gonna be on ios 18. Battery is at 82% though but i dont think replacing battery is worth it at the moment. Just waiting for the right moment to upgrade.
Experiencing none of that on iPhone 11 Pro.
I think if anything, the 12 mini just had subpar tech due to size constraints. Sadly.
I think ios 17 is just buggy on iphone 12 mini because i compared it side by side with my wife iPhone XR and hers is just fine when pulling the control centre.
Also, i think the sole problem is apple is throttling the 12 mini when it gets too warm. Its a fine phone but the battery is really bad. I have long upgraded to another phone but its just bad experience on my part. Thats all.
I’ve had the same experience. I had a 6s and an XR, and they both slowed down tremendously overnight after iOS updates (not the same one, 6s happened a few years before). Also, the update for the 6s that caused performance issues also removed/made redundant a lot of the OS features that made use of 3D Touch, because the newer phones didn’t have it anymore. For the 6s, I know it wasn’t a battery issue; I replaced that battery, and it didn’t fix them.
For a minute, battery replacements or repairs weren’t even a reasonable option, with how repair-unfriendly their phones had gotten. But afaik they’ve improved in that regard, providing official tools, parts and guidance. Also, you can call them to have them activate the Face ID module if you replace a screen, which is a big win for right-to-repair. Props to them for that!
Funny, I have an XS from the same year and it’s totally fine on iOS 18. I might even replace the battery.
Funny you said that because one has 4GB ram and another has 3GB ram. Plus, my wife has a 64GB model and its almost full. Performance really took a nose dive. You must have a really low bar regarding performance.
Take a look at the video. Opening app takes awhile compared to XS and multitasking is shit. Opened up a camera and go back to another app, guess what? Refreshed.
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I don’t know what you want me to say. I don’t have an XR apart from a test one at work maybe.
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My Oneplus 5t running LineageOS still works really well, snappy even.
It’s a year older then the XR
Yes, but how’s the official ROM support?
Does it matter? They made it easy to ROM and now my device gets to live on by the support of the community. That’s how tech should be. We can’t expect endless support from companies (it’s just not realistic) but if they don’t actively hinder you from owning your own device and making it somewhat modifiable, it adds a lot of life.
In the context of the iPhone XR mentioned by the post I replied to, that “official ROM” is nearly non-functional, is that really better in your opinion?
Yes. This is what im talking about. If only i can flash a lightweight os on my wife iphone and extend its life i would. Ultimately, it stuck on ios 18 with piss poor performance. Its a bad experience. Why should i contribute to another ewaste if i can help it.
It does matter because for most people that phone became e-waste around 2020. Iphones released that year got major OS upgrades till 2022 and are still getting security updates.
I do wish Apple was forced to unlock the bootloader, but for 95% of users, their phones get significantly longer support than normal.
So one is potential ewaste (Oneplus with an uninformed user) the other is absolutely ewaste.
Again I really don’t see your point?
Mate, I even lowballed the 95% number. It’s probably closer to 98-99% of smartphone users that want nothing to do with custom ROMs.
This is coming from a person who has used them on every single Android I’ve owned (including an Oneplus).
So there’s a 98% chance of a mainstream Android phone becoming ewaste within 2-3 years (admittedly, flagships now can get longer support because of pressure from Apple). If you think your iPhone is slow after 5 years, you can literally still sell it. There’s still a market for it, and it’ll continue getting at least security updates for a while. Some people report phones getting slow, but you know what? It’s a minority. Plus once you wipe it of all your shit when you sell it, it’ll be way faster again lol
So no, Apple isn’t perfect (if they were, they’d let you flash other operating systems), but first party support is still more important to 99% of people than third party support is. I keep my OP 7 Pro around because it can run Android 15 smooth as hell and I’ve got an app I want to develop eventually, but I can’t use it as my main phone these days (yay play integrity API) and on the custom ROM the battery drains pretty fast despite the phone not even having a SIM card in it and being used fairly little.
The oldest iPhone to get a security update this year is the 6s. It came out in 2015. From the company most hated for planned obsolescence. My last Android phone, the OP 7 Pro, released in 2019, got its last security update in 2022 or 2023, I forgot the exact date. Plus it took me hours to chase down the exact stock ROM I had to flash to downgrade the OS and get the bootloader unlocked last year. Oneplus had killed the downloads on their website, I ended up finding some on someone’s google drive and some through wayback machine I believe. Don’t remember which one actually worked in the end. This is NOT something a normal person would want to go through, I have ADHD and had more important work to do, which is why I ended up flashing my phone lol