Thry literally can’t. Aside from the ideological ‘capitalism functions by exploiting and destroying things outside other consideration, like your mom giving you money for your lemonade stand’
Making a planet habitable is hard. Just from the considerations we know; it sort of can’t be done and the parts we think are theoretically possible would take centuries at minimum, even if we did figure out how’. Earth’s all we got and pretending otherwise is a fucking delusion.
Capitalism has another century at most. Afyer that, earth won’t support life anymore.
Which maybe isn’t even a bad thing-imagine if there’s other intelligent life out there snd a humanity that survives by incrwasing exploitation, by pillaging across every planet we find, always looting, like a swarm if great interstellar locusts rather than figuring its shit out came across that intelligent life.
I’ve had some thoughts about that recently. I strongly suspect that evolution kinda forced us to turn out this way, and that any other intelligent species (at least non-telepathic ones) would likely evolve similarly. Telepathy - if actually possible - is the only thing I think would force a significantly different evolutionary path (at the likely cost of individuality).
I’m just some rando who has absolutely zero expertise in this area, so I’m probably wrong. After spending a huge proportion of my life privately trying to understand humans, I have a hard time seeing it happening much differently, tho.
Dude, it’s not fucking evolution. We’re not naturally like this. You’re trying to understand humans, but its like the ‘alpha wolf’ thing.
This is the behavior capitalism authoritarianism and a life that knows nothing but bondage creates in humans. Break that, and you get different behavior.
Once fear is learned, insecurity and bullying are inevitable follow-ons for too many that create the overcompensating aggressive types, and the eager-to-please ass-kissers who learn to conform to survive & convince themselves it’s “the way.” You’d have to somehow eliminate all that, which is all but impossible, IMHO.
Bullying will always be there even if society actively frowns upon it, and tries to cancel it. There are always exceptions, and they will learn how to manipulate to get what they want. They are often sociopaths, and those with the charisma and smarts to con people will find ways subvert any systems meant to keep them in their place, or from doing harm to the larger whole of society.
I’m not looking for perfection, nor making excuses. I’m trying to address in a realistic fashion the actual deeply-rooted causes of humanity’s propensity for self-destruction.
Like i said, bullying is a cuktural value we nurture. Arguably our highest. Stop that, and se have less. I dont know how much less-you probably dont get to zero with anything in a population of billions, but less. Probably a lot less.
sociopaths
You ever actually met one? Lived with one? They’re not just evil for evil’s sake. They could function in an ideal society, and we’d probably make fewer of them. They’re assholes, not literal demons. There are solutions here. They exist-instead of putting them in charge of everythkng and giving them authority, you make them surgeons or firefighters or something where they can do good prosocial work while being admired and filling their needs and still being just such fucking jerks.
Sociopathy isn’t a hotcha about a world that functions on consent; it’s the biggest fuckup of this one.
humanity’s propensity for
But thata what im saying. You’ve only ever seen capitalist subjects. Maybe you met some old folks who grew up in the ussr and know some socialist subjects, but they were still authoritarian subjects. I dont think youve chilled with folks who grew up in tje mountains of chiapas or the AANES, i don’t think you’ve been a part of a serious disaster response where radicalbpunks and illegalists and shit come in cobtact with soccer moms.
You’ve seen people who exist under one kind of very imposed very artificial condition. You do not in fact know shit about humanity or its propensities. You’ve probably only ever even seen yourself from one or two angles.
I’m telling you; whike it wont be perfect and there will ve problems; these are not them. I’d talk in more detail but I’d be doxxing myself.
They’re going to destroy the earth. Kill themselves. They can’t run somewhere else.
SpaceX & Blue Origin (Musk & Bezos) sure are trying to change that.
Thry literally can’t. Aside from the ideological ‘capitalism functions by exploiting and destroying things outside other consideration, like your mom giving you money for your lemonade stand’
Making a planet habitable is hard. Just from the considerations we know; it sort of can’t be done and the parts we think are theoretically possible would take centuries at minimum, even if we did figure out how’. Earth’s all we got and pretending otherwise is a fucking delusion.
Capitalism has another century at most. Afyer that, earth won’t support life anymore.
Which maybe isn’t even a bad thing-imagine if there’s other intelligent life out there snd a humanity that survives by incrwasing exploitation, by pillaging across every planet we find, always looting, like a swarm if great interstellar locusts rather than figuring its shit out came across that intelligent life.
I’ve had some thoughts about that recently. I strongly suspect that evolution kinda forced us to turn out this way, and that any other intelligent species (at least non-telepathic ones) would likely evolve similarly. Telepathy - if actually possible - is the only thing I think would force a significantly different evolutionary path (at the likely cost of individuality).
I’m just some rando who has absolutely zero expertise in this area, so I’m probably wrong. After spending a huge proportion of my life privately trying to understand humans, I have a hard time seeing it happening much differently, tho.
Dude, it’s not fucking evolution. We’re not naturally like this. You’re trying to understand humans, but its like the ‘alpha wolf’ thing.
This is the behavior capitalism authoritarianism and a life that knows nothing but bondage creates in humans. Break that, and you get different behavior.
Once fear is learned, insecurity and bullying are inevitable follow-ons for too many that create the overcompensating aggressive types, and the eager-to-please ass-kissers who learn to conform to survive & convince themselves it’s “the way.” You’d have to somehow eliminate all that, which is all but impossible, IMHO.
Fear is not one thing.
Insecurity probably, bullying no-might happen sometimes but not inevitable, definitely a high cultural value.
Ass kissing conformists are a problem, but not necessarily terminal.
We don’t all need to be perfect to have a better world. That’s a fucking excuse.
Bullying will always be there even if society actively frowns upon it, and tries to cancel it. There are always exceptions, and they will learn how to manipulate to get what they want. They are often sociopaths, and those with the charisma and smarts to con people will find ways subvert any systems meant to keep them in their place, or from doing harm to the larger whole of society.
I’m not looking for perfection, nor making excuses. I’m trying to address in a realistic fashion the actual deeply-rooted causes of humanity’s propensity for self-destruction.
Like i said, bullying is a cuktural value we nurture. Arguably our highest. Stop that, and se have less. I dont know how much less-you probably dont get to zero with anything in a population of billions, but less. Probably a lot less.
You ever actually met one? Lived with one? They’re not just evil for evil’s sake. They could function in an ideal society, and we’d probably make fewer of them. They’re assholes, not literal demons. There are solutions here. They exist-instead of putting them in charge of everythkng and giving them authority, you make them surgeons or firefighters or something where they can do good prosocial work while being admired and filling their needs and still being just such fucking jerks.
Sociopathy isn’t a hotcha about a world that functions on consent; it’s the biggest fuckup of this one.
But thata what im saying. You’ve only ever seen capitalist subjects. Maybe you met some old folks who grew up in the ussr and know some socialist subjects, but they were still authoritarian subjects. I dont think youve chilled with folks who grew up in tje mountains of chiapas or the AANES, i don’t think you’ve been a part of a serious disaster response where radicalbpunks and illegalists and shit come in cobtact with soccer moms.
You’ve seen people who exist under one kind of very imposed very artificial condition. You do not in fact know shit about humanity or its propensities. You’ve probably only ever even seen yourself from one or two angles.
I’m telling you; whike it wont be perfect and there will ve problems; these are not them. I’d talk in more detail but I’d be doxxing myself.