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Just for some context: the prohibition of using the Military in the States dates back to reconstruction. Slaveholding States didn’t like the Yankee Army protecting Civil rights.
I’m not defending Trump, but the idea that using troops as law enforcement is “Un-American” or tyrannical is Confederate propaganda.
Which is even more on the nose coming from him
Troops are not trained law enforcement personnel. They are trained to threaten and kill.
Also, civil rights weren’t solidified into law until about a century later.
I do agree that this kind of threat is very American, though.
There’s another way to look at this. Fascism has often been defined as “Imperialism Returning to the Core”. A great deal of the ICE buildup and the arming of Sheriff’s Deputy Gangs with military surplus is coming from the surplus men who came out of our Iraq and Afghanistan occupations.
Even before you get into using the explicit military (rather than the paramilitary) on US soil, you’d do well to recognize that we’re employing the same tactics against LA and Chicago that we had once employed in Baghdad and Kandahar. The escalation of troops into cities matches Bush/McCain era “Surge” rhetoric, with many of the same rationales and objectives.
the idea that using troops as law enforcement is “Un-American” or tyrannical is Confederate propaganda
Might be worth remembering that the original Confederate Army was composed of rebel officers from the Mexican-American War. You can draw a straight line from the annexation of Texas and California, through the failed filibuster of Cuba, and on to the First Battle of Bull Run. Future Confederate soldiers cut their teeth in Bleeding Kansas and suppressed the slave revolt at Harper’s Ferry.
Using troops as law enforcement was their whole game, until the got punted out of Gettysburg and torched straight through Atlanta on to Savannah.
And the turn in rhetoric somehow didn’t extend to the Battle of Blair Mountain or the suppression of Civil Rights Marches in Selma, much less the gunning down of anti-war protesters at Kent State.
The world has learned a lot about the separation of police and military in the past 100 years or so. If you don’t prefer the term “Anti-American” how about “Anti-human rights”?
Until you guys stop him then this isn’t a claim. It’s a threat, it’s a promise, and it’s your future.
Blue states should stop paying taxes. See how well funded his stupid military would be with fucking North Dakota trying to pay for it
Blue states should stop paying taxes.
States don’t collect taxes on behalf of the federal government.
Yes, it would be very logistically challenging. However if it were to succeed it cannot be piecemeal, it must be organized from the top down, with state-funded resources to help bail out those who the IRS retaliates against.
state-funded resources to help bail out those who the IRS retaliates against.
That’s been the hang up for a while. How much are state officials willing to do in defiance of the federal government?
To date, not much
They should’ve stopped the second the evidence of the election being stolen was revealed. It sickens me that they aren’t doing anything about either the election being stolen or the Nazi regime being implemented.
Did something new come out? It’s hard to keep track.
Nothing smoking gun but iirc the difference between voting intention and actual results is historically high and also concentrated around key districts in swing states. So either its an un-precidented level of co-ordinated tactical voting or someone fudged the numbers.
So I always pay taxes, extra, I like funding the government but I also like the refund at the end of the year. I’m thinking starting January I’m changing my tax form to 0. And won’t pay in anything until April 2027. Have to starve this beast
Pay 10% less than your last year’s tax in late December to avoid underpayment penalties.
This idea keeps coming up and while it sounds great it has the slight problem that states don’t pay taxes, people do. Basically your suggestion is then that people living in blue states should stop paying their taxes. Now, the majority of those taxes are collected for them by the companies they work for. You can reduce (maybe eliminate I’m not actually sure if you can opt into 0% withholding) how much is collected by your employer by filing out a new W-4 form, if they let you. But even setting that aside there’s the problem that none of that will matter in the slightest when the IRS comes for you with an arrest warrant for unpaid taxes. Or they might just start garnishing your wages, I’m honestly not 100% sure how that would play out. I just know that number 1 rule is you don’t fuck with the IRS.
The states do pay taxes to the federal government. States are some of the largest employers, and they pay federal payroll taxes. Those could be withheld.
No court would uphold that.
Further, virtually all these state accounting and payroll systems are privatized. States don’t pay federal payroll taxes. Officials simply administer contracts to private firms that handle payroll and deductions. And you’re not going to like who the managers of these mega-accounting and payroll management companies supported in 2024.
What you’re asking these officials to do is issue an obviously illegal order to a subordinate who will simply ignore them and report them to the IRS for prosecution.
No court would uphold the federal government, and specifically the executive branch, withholding congressionally appropriated funds destined to states. And yet here we are.
There likely wouldn’t be enough IRS agents to audit that many people at once. There aren’t enough to go after tax cheats when people abide by the system en masse, so if there were a concerted effort to stop paying, they would probably have trouble with enforcement.
Now, I’m 100% certain that the Trump admin would push the IRS to “make examples” of a few unlucky people, and I’m not expecting a large enough pool of people participating in the new viral meme “just don’t pay your taxes, they can’t arrest us all” for it to matter.
To be fair, the IRS has had their budget cut and will be unlikely to come and arrest the people of one state let alone several. Heck if every blue voter stopped paying taxes then there’s about 5/8ths of fuck all the IRS could do about it.
If they arrested you it would not be a big deal but what they do is keep on piling on fees and interest while garnishing any check you produce.
That’s a great point, giving amnesty for withholding tax could be a good way to secure votes, could lead to a slippery slope though …
But given America is a capitalist hellhole, the voters real power should be in their capital, if a provider isn’t giving you what you are paying for them you shouldn’t have to pay them.
Those can’t be effectively collected when the government/court is shut down
Its not a paid person that collects and even if the process is not automated enough its again the fees and interest.
I looked it up the last time this was discussed, the IRS can override and put back the withholding you requested taken off.
“Our military exists to defend the nation and protect our freedoms, not to be weaponized against American cities,” said critics.
See? That right there, that is your problem. That should not be “critics” but “everybody”
Hey, remember that “Jade Helm” thing that the Republicans went completely apeshit over back when Obama was president?
Hm.
I 'member. The best thing was that the nut bags were all afraid of a FEMA “army”, not even the literal army that Trump is trying to send.
Projection
Well, TBF, Obama is black.
Also in the news:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5579661-trump-approval-rating-drop-economist-yougov/
Trump’s approval hits new low for second term: Poll
President Trump’s overall job approval reached a new second-term low in the latest Economist/YouGov survey.
The poll, conducted this past weekend, shows Trump 19 points underwater, with 39 percent of Americans approving of his handling of the presidency and 58 percent disapproving.
YouGov pollsters noted the president’s negative-19 net approval is also lower than all but one poll during his first term.
Among 18- to 29-year-olds in the latest survey, Trump was nearly 55 points underwater — with only 20 percent approving of the way Trump handles his job and 75 percent disapproving.
That represents a stark reversal from February, when Trump enjoyed a positive net approval among young adults of more than 8 points — with 50 percent approving and 42 percent disapproving.
He’s definitely speed-running the unpopularity numbers.
Makes it clear why he wants a new bunker under the white house…
Id like to have the opportunity to piss on trumps face
Whoa, don’t threaten him with a good time. 🤣
and… Majestic.
No you can’t but how has that ever stopped the criminal in the White House.
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