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      BREAKING! THING YOU ALREADY KNEW IS STILL A THING, PLEASE CLICK ANYWAY, PLEASE BRO JUST ONE MORE CLICK

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    Anti immigration…. Musk is an immigrant… an immigrant to the states, an immigrant to South Africa. His decision totally makes sense… it’s self hatred.

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      The wealthy are effectively “outside” all norms and standards and sense of consistency. This is why they both get away with so much shit and why they’re often utterly fucking insane.

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        Reminds me of Castlereigh trying to deal with Tsar Alexandar I at the The Congress of Vienna (1814)

        https://youtu.be/QtOXq9SwarQ?t=1061

        It’s difficult to characterize Tsar Alexander, because it seems that most of his mental energy was caught up in creating narratives about what kind of person he was, and not so much on what he did or how he behaved. Alexander had 8 or 10 of these narratives going through his head at the same time, and wasn’t particularly bothered when they contradicted each other.

        Alexander considered himself a true “Enlightenment Monarch,” and told anybody who would listen that he believed in a limited, constitutional monarchy, and wanted Russia to have elections, and a parliament, and independent courts. At the same time, he ruled Russia as a tyrannical dictator, which was justified in his mind because he believed that he was God’s chosen instrument on Earth. These two thoughts are not compatible.

        But Alexander did not see a contradiction. He would simply switch between these two modes of thought depending on who he was talking to and how he felt that day.

        Alexander believed himself to be the most honourable man in Europe, a man who revered ritual, and tradition, and justice. Simultaneously, he believed that God made him Emperor of Russia for a reason, and if he needed to go back on his word and use brute force to implement his will, that was all part of God’s plan.

        These contradictory beliefs made Alexander impossible to deal with. His positions came off as utterly random, and they could change at any time depending on his mood.

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          Thank you for this, this is actually a fantastic story for me, I have spent the last few years (since Covid actually) trying to learn about cognitive dissonance in people and it turned into a deep, dark rabbit hole that shed a lot of light on heady ideas like free-will and how the brain actually works. (2/10, would not recommend this journey. Caused a small breakdown.)

          But the short of it is, as a species logic and consistency is not only not that important to us, it’s not even natural to us.

          Our brains are not the things we think they are, even time itself is not what we think. We just have these crazy machines in our heads that write storylines and narratives to explain how we feel and to tie events together to form a coherent story for how time is unfolding. But none of that is anything more than how a large language model “predicts” what should take place via odds and probability.

          No part of our minds defaults to logic and sensibility, it defaults to “yeah, that makes sense I guess.” and for the vast majority of people, this is enough to get through the day, but we each are just absolutely swimming in logical inconsistency. Granted, some more than others, but it’s a hard-wired, built-in feature of being alive… your mind tells you stories to explain your experiences and feelings, and this story need not follow any rules of logic.

          This is why we have flat-earther scientists and climate-change denying climatologists and doctors who don’t believe in vaccines. Those are extreme examples but if you search, you will find you also likely have dozens of smaller-scale contradictions in your thoughts, your life narratives, your reasoning for anything and everything you do.

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            Oh for sure – in the context of Tsar Alexander, he likely grew up being told from birth that it was his divine right to rule, whilst at the same time he wanted to be in with the trendy European crowd promoting democracy. I can totally see how someone might have these two halves of themselves that they cannot totally reconcile .

            Musk, I believe, truly does care what people think of him. There was a time in the early 2010s when he had a trendy wife, was promoting open source specs for E-cars, and was doing as much as he could to signal to progressives that he was their man.

            Only once it became clear that he could not live the consequence-free rich-man lifestyle with all of its abusive horrors and still be revered by the progressives, is when he ran like a crying infant to the skirts of its mother towards the conservatives. He ultimately wishes to be loved and respected by the in-crowd, doesn’t matter what they stand for.

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    I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”

    And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

    Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”

    And i was like, ohok and he continues.

    "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

    And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

    And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”

    And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.

    — Transcribed from a series of tweets by @IamRageSparkle, around 2020.

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    This goes for Meta too, whether you like it or not. Just because Fuckerberg isnt as outspoken doesnt mean he isnt actively part of the problem.

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    Thanks for the reminder. Accidentally logged in with a Google account a while back and haven’t deleted the account since because I forget to because I never use it. When I went to delete it today the first thing that I saw was some kind of anti-semitic bullshit.

    Top.

    Fucking.

    Post.

    I hadn’t interacted with the platform and that’s the first fucking thing I saw.

    Nazi Bar.

    Edit: just a friendly reminder to block and report.

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        I can believe going through the account deletion is inconvenient.

        But you cannot make me believe that just deleting the app is. Takes less than 5 seconds unless your shortcut is millions of homescreens deep.

        I mean I got everything I use often on one screen, and everything I use occasionally is like 4 extra icons on the second. You cannot convince me that is inconvenient.

        And even if you could, just ignoring it is even less inconvenient.

        Then you have to decide how much effort it is to prevent their emails showing up. Either following them or going back and deleting the account are your choices. One is less convenient and more thorough. Decide between those.

        I did it around the time he bought the place. I didn’t even know anything about his politics at the time, but I barely used it and that picture of him with the funk with that shit eating grin and the general sentiment of everybody’s else’s feelings on it just pissed me off. Once the election started I was happy to be far away.

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          I stand by my statement. Users are inconvenienced by literally anything.

          Not that I think that is a good trait, I hate it! But seeing what a lot of services did and do only confirms it.

          A colleague of mine still sees no harm in reddit. We’re in a professional it field and I left years ago (api debacle) ! Sigh.

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            That’s just diluting the word. If doing literally anything different at all is considered “inconvenient”, then people are just fucking lazy af. Like an over the top amount of lazy.

            If supporting a Nazi platform is considered easier to them than having even a raindrop of effort, then they’re probably not worth the oxygen they’re taking from someone else, tbh.

            At least assuming they’re not autistic or some other disability. I can totally see it with certain conditions, but other than that it’s just shameful.

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              OK let me be clear.

              Users are over the top lazy as fuck.

              Anyone working in view of IT can see that very clearly. It’s not on overstatement.

              Were talking about optimizing clicks here, where every trivial step will lose a lot of users because they can’t be bothered.

              The thought of who runs the platform and such does not bother any normal user.

              But anyhow I am not here to convince you nor do I gain anything from posting. Just voicing what I see as the truth.

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                I’m not even disagreeing mostly, I’m just saying that the use of “inconvenient” has gotten to an extremely hedonistic level.

                Pretty soon if I have to blink 2 extra times a day for some reason that’ll be inconvenient.

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    Already done that 4 years ago, after reading 10 Arguments For Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now by Jaron Lanier.

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    Why is it that these rich fucks are so hateful? Man… I’d be blissful if I had a tiny fraction of what that shitbag makes in an hour.

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      The being a shitbag part came first and it’s what led to all the wealth (along with wealthy shitbag parents.)

      See, the reason you’re not going to make a trillion dollars is because you would be happy with some level of wealth, you’re normal, you’re probably also the kind of person who would feel bad about stealing the hard work and benefits from millions of people.

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    If you were looking for a choir to preach to, I imagine this is about as choir a choir as one could find. Where this image really needs to go is on Xitter. Not that anyone here is likely to go register a Xitter account to do so.

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      Fair, but I’m still amazed how many people - reasonable, rational people - continue to use it.

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      I think it’s more productive to talk to people you know IRL who use it. For the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.

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    Also, maybe if you see him and get the chance… you could cause some inheritances to flow. Speed up that generational wealth transfer.