Basically movies where the director didn’t care about logic and used that freedom to cook
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Most of John Carpenter’s movies fit
Indie fails to keep The Ark of the Covenant from falling into Nazi hands but that doesn’t matter because it melts their faces off when they open it.
Armageddon - It’s a fun ride, but don’t think about it too hard.
Ben Affleck’s commentary on this movie is great.
At one point he basically goes Why can’t a NASA scientists know how to drill, but a random Joe off the street can become an astronaut
I mean, I don’t think “Being John Malkovich” was ever adequately explained, but I aint even mad. 😉
I don’t think anyone can actually explain the Malkovich scene. It’s entire purpose is insanity and I love it.
Welcome to every Charlie Kaufman film.
it’s my favorite movie
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Back to the Future Part 2 can’t happen because old Biff wouldn’t have been able to return to the future where Marty and Doc were at the beginning of the movie, based on the movie’s own logic.
…but it’s still great.
I think the weak logic it may have, is that time “slowly” changes. Like how Marty’s future slowly starts changing over the course of the first film.
Also, how did he learn to accelerate to 88mph to achieve time travel?
He’s just an asshole who speeds everywhere.
A mix of drugs and traumatic brain injury.
Wasn’t it programmed in the car by that point?
What do you mean?
Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets is one big plot hole riddled with plot holes and cheesy-ness to boot but I find it mildly enjoyable (yes, I know it is much panned and generally disliked).
I loved it. Visually amazing. The critics were upset because they were clearly expecting something profound, but they obviously watched a different trailer to me. Criticising Valerian and the city of a thousand planets for lacking depth was like criticising Frozen for having too many songs. It was always about the visual appeal, and it had a lot of visual appeal.
I find that movie to be a masterpiece of somehow really good and really bad at the same time
The intro to Valerian is amazing.
The next scene, at Mül, was also good set-up for the motivations of the film: A humanoid species living in perfect balance with a whole, tropical-beautiful planet, which is then — predictably —
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destroyed by an out-worlder space-battle that had nothing to do with them.
The story was fine, the the production values were great, but the two leads were dead fish. Not sure whose good idea that was.
That’s because it’s dystopian fantasy not dystopian sci-fi
Probably Limitless: He could’ve just paid the bookie back on time, but that wouldn’t have been very exciting.
Also, the show is better than the movie (shame it was cancelled).
Someone else who’s seen the show? There’s two of us!
I don’t think it’s technically a plot hole but the line in the Matrix that people are an energy source always bothered me. It could have been fixed in later movies but they doubled down on the absurdity in The Animatrix.
It was originally going to be that people were used for processing power, but a producer or exec didn’t think people would understand so they asked for it to be changed.
Which is why it could have been fixed in the Animatrix or later movies after the Wakoski’s no longer had to listen to execs.
“Humans are batteries.”
Neo, “That’s what they told you but this is the real truth.”
Revealing layers of truth was a recurring motif in the movies so it would have fit perfectly. Instead of ignoring it or fixing it, The Animatrix expanded on the absurdity.
They certainly could have. They apparently said that they didn’t really care about that plot point. If I remember correctly, it didn’t matter to them why the machines did what they did. It was just there to get the story they wanted to tell started.
I agree it would have been better the other way. People as batteries is really dumb.
Aw, this would’ve set up our gen-AI present much more accurately.
Human bodies as datacenters? How long til Bezos, Gates, and Zuckerberg figure that one out?
21st century slavery in the making. Promises of fat contracts, lots of money to send back home to family, careers in the tech sector. All the while it’s the dead being fed to the living to process data need for the rich to live in an immersive fantasy land.
not a movie, but “CAPRICA” uses a dead girls brain patterns as the basis for AI for the cylon race(outside of the final 5 and the humanoid cylons)
Also the product placement money.
I didn’t look at it as so much of a plot hole, but the first clue that when you’re in the “real world” you’re not actually in reality but really still in the matrix (or perhaps another matrix that doesn’t work quite the same). Same thing with the whole scorch the sky bit - doesn’t make sense in reality but in a simulated reality you can change up the rules a bit. The second movie, to me, played into this further with a bunch more clues dropped about that what the characters considered reality wasn’t actually real. The third movie, obviously, would deal with that… but instead… well I’m still not sure what the hell that movie was about.
Yeah that would have been a great way to fix their problems.
You might be aware but apparently the original script was humans brains as processing power and like a neural network or something. If true would’ve been much better. They dumbed it down for being too complex, is the rumor. Sorry no source.
Spare human brain power is much better but still bad. The “we only use 10% of our brain” is a myth.
The human brain still has a lot of processing power and is remarkably efficient. No need for them to throw around the 10% BS.
The entire reasoning behind this change was that it would look cool to hold the battery in the explanation scene.
Look cool or did Duracell pay them big bucks?
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I still don’t understand how new humans are born, if that was ever explained? Like we have sex in the matrix and that somehow makes them in the real world and then the machines take them out and place them in their own pods? And the pods grow with the human as they age?
Tubes. Lots of tubes. Plenty of kept animals are bred by artificial insemination.
Hard to say it’s my favorite, but “Honey, I Shrunk The Kids” explains the shrinking ray (and forgive me, it’s been decades since I watched it) working by getting rid of the space between atoms, squishing them together to reduce the size of the object. Okay, I’m sure that’s patently ridiculous in and of itself. But realistically, even as a kid, I knew enough to recognize that it would mean a shrunken object would still weigh the same amount (volume shrinks but mass does not).
No way an ant is going to be able to carry the weight of a full grown human. Nor would grass. And honestly the amount of force of so much weight in such a small space would cause all kinds of issues. You literally could not casually lift the weight of a child with a spoon without noticing when you’re built like vintage era Rick Moranis, let alone the fact that the weight of kid concentrated to the size of an ant would not float in milk, even with a cheerio life preserver. Practically the whole movie is a plot hole.
Let us not even speak of the sequel(s).
If I’m not misremembering, that’s the exact explanation they use for pym particles in the first Ant-Man movie. And yeah, mass and forces we see in that movie aren’t consistent with that rule at all either. In his shrunken form he can go from riding flying ant bareback to punching a guy with the force of a regular size dude (not concentrated to the size of bb though, he should be punching holes in people). Furthermore, at the climax of the film he needs to “go subatomic” to squeeze between atoms, but he keeps shrinking out of control and ends up in a crazy abstract environment many times smaller than the smallest particles we know of…but don’t pym particles just make atoms get closer to each other? Not shrink? It’s a fun movie but I need to turn off my brain to watch it.
And then in later movies when he grows, shouldn’t he also be the same mass then too? Think about it, he’s as big as a parade balloon and a fraction of the weight, the dude would need to hold onto something just to not blow away.
A lot of people have the head canon that Hank Pym (the only person able to make Pym particles) intentionally throws out disinformation in order to prevent people from copying his work
Which is a great theory, but I’d love to see an explanation for the “ultra tiny universe unaffected by time” that you somehow reach when you get super small.
Holyshit. You just blew my mind. 🤩😱🤘🏼
Ant man is from the 1960’s, it sucks that they have to use the same reasoning that was given then, as well as the same character abilities. It’s inconsistent as hell. Wish they would have been able to at least update the science to fit the capabilities better. But of course we know of no science that could explain what they want him to be capable of doing. But then they get to make shit up, they love making up plausible sounding sciencey words.
They a little bit try to make it seem like there is a cost for going super big, in that he gets tired really fast… but even that keeps slipping to being less and less immediate or important.
I feel like the cost is literally the most important part of super heroes. Whether it be time constraints, or energy usage, or personality problems… having a tangible cost is what makes them “heroes”, instead of just hypercapable beings doing awesome stuff for spectacle alone.
Also they throw enlarged salt shakers at cars, which are treated as if they now suddenly weigh more. So somehow making things bigger adds mass?
I was disappointed that when things got bigger, they didn’t get more fragile. Good sci fi/fantasy needs rules and limitations.
Logan’s Run. It was a visual spectacle at the time but there’s not a lot of sense to the story. From a modern perspective, there aren’t even any robots in the city, save for the one that somehow gathers food from the sea for the cities entire population.
This is explained more in the book. The computer runs everything in the world, not just some self contained city. The sandmen travel all over the world in flying cars and bullet trains to track down runners in the most remote regions as well as cities. People are raised by robotic nannies in the nurseries, doctors are robotic, most everything is automated. There is a semi abandoned space program that runs the sanctuary program where the runners are escaping to an old space habitat colony made for hundreds of people.
The book is a lot of fun. Easy read, simple writing with lots of action based prose. The second book is a great continuation of the story. The third was not so great, but if you are reading the first two you might as well finish the trilogy. All three books are in one compilation about the size of a normal scifi book.
All three books are in one compilation about the size of a normal scifi book.
Hunh. Almost like it could’ve been a single piece with a meh third act. 🙃
Thanks for the summary. The movie is just question after question, like mainly how they even manage to survive outside without any knowledge, on foot, no supplies. It’s been a while since I’ve watched it.
In the TV series, which is really cheesy, at least they had solar powered cars, and a handy android to explain everything, and there were some other people on the outside.
Still love that movie! I’m amazed it hasn’t been rebooted yet. One of the few movies that are better than the book it’s based on.
Not a movie but I think season 5 to 10 of Supernatural could be explained by « for god sake talk to each other you stupid babies »
I haven’t seen that show but now I definitely won’t because that’s my least favorite trope ever
everything season past season 5 wasnt made by Kripke, so it leans very heavily fanfiction/ sexualized the actors. outside of 8 and 11, the other ones are just fillers.
There’s some good things in the first seasons. Like the episode where the character are thrown into the « reality » and found out that they hate each other’s.
Interstellar with the trip down to the ocean planet. It feels like they really rushed when they all knew that wasn’t necessary due to the time dilation. Saving it for last made the most sense, who cares if it might waste a couple of months they have cryo chambers and this mission can not fail so maybe be super deliberate with your choices?
Leads to a cool reveal though, so it has a movie reason to exist, but after that first viewing it seems dumber and dumber.
The other big problem with the time dilation aspect is the scientist they originally sent to that planet to check it out beforehand couldn’t have been there very long at all. They must have landed, took a quick look around, and been like “hey looks good, thumbs up!”. I though the whole reason they sent a human to do that job is so the human could thoroughly check things out and might notice unusual things like massive planet-wide tidal waves.
To add to that, if you sent me to check out an unknown planet I’d first spend a considerable amount of time in orbit surveying the planet, looking for things like a livable temperature range, a non-poisonous atmosphere, reasonable gravity, and no massive planet-wide tidal waves before attempting a landing. Hell, even if I wanted to get to the landing part as quickly as possible I’d still want to do a quick survey of the planet if only to find a good place to land. Clearly the original scientist did none of that. Nor, for that matter did the crew in the movie, though I suppose I could kind of excuse them as they were in a hurry and they had the “all good” signal.
I though the whole reason they sent a human to do that job is so the human could thoroughly check things out and might notice unusual things like massive planet-wide tidal waves.
How would they do that given the time dilation? Let’s say the waves come every two hours. The scientist would have to stay in orbit for up to 14 years to properly observe them once. Humanity didn’t have that time. They also didn’t have time for him to go onto the planet, wait around for a few hours and then send the signal.
He most likely observed the planet, didn’t see any issues (due to the time dilation), went down, sent a good ping, and then the wave took him. That’s not a massive plot hole.
I would think the instructions to the scientist would be to only send a thumbs up if you’re confident everything is good. Otherwise, send a thumbs down (or send nothing). I mean, the future of humanity is at stake here.
I also kind of assume that the original mission didn’t know about the time dilation thing, but the whole reason to send a human is the human can adapt to a new situation. And in this situation the scientist would realize that thanks to the time dilation problem they either aren’t going to be able to respond in the expected (Earth) time frame or to completely half-ass the job they are supposed to do. And they chose the latter, when the former would be very reasonable (Earth might at first wonder about the lack of a response - but later missions would discover the reason why). Though given the experience at the next planet I suppose you can conclude that when they sent out the original batch of scientists they didn’t send out their best.
Of course there’s also thing with only being able to send out a very basic thumbs up/thumbs down message is a highly contrived thing that’s only there to make the extremely weak plot work.
That and the fact that the time dilation on that planet vs in orbit around that planet make no sense in the first place.
Aren’t you just ignoring the emotional component? The people on that mission weren’t robots, they were people. Cooper didn’t want his children to die without ever hearing from him again.
I was just realizing the last time I watched Grandma’s Boy that the movie’s entire plot unfolds in the last 15-20 minutes and everything before that really doesn’t need to be there.
My big thing with that movie is the nerd not having a backup of his game. Ridiculous.
We exist, but ashamed to admit.
I’ve worked on my fair share of projects with no backup and working off the only copy I created.
Being 2005, I’d say it’d be even more prevalent back then for that type of behavior too.
Yeah but they made it look like his development data was all on a DVD, which makes so little sense it’s not even worth discussing.
Great film tho.
Definitely agreed there lol that was wholly unrealistic and no defense for that
The funny parts don’t need to be there in a comedy?
I mean just for the story. But also, the story doesn’t need to be there for the comedy.
Which two are those, again?
That’d be the first half and the second half.
So, like The Producers?
Highlander 2.
They don’t come any bigger than that.
Essentially every Highlander movie after the first one is a bunch of plot holes in a trench coat, but agreed 2 is the worst. They can still be fun to watch if it doesn’t make you brain force its way out of your skull.
I think the movie Signs gets over scrutinized for the climax where they realize water kills the aliens. Sure, it would be stupid for aliens to invade a planet absolutely crammed full of a substance that’s so dangerous to them, at least without some kind of basic moisture protection. MNS should have probably spent some time finessing that part of the story to make more logical sense.
However, even with that issue, I still love it. The actors are all great, dialog is funny, mystery unfolds nicely, and the theme is well constructed.
One detail i really liked that took a few watches to notice is that the Dad called a family doctor to treat their sick dog. Later you see a brief hint that the guy who killed his wife is the town vet.
I like the fan theory that they aren’t aliens at all, they are demons. The broadcast at the end that reveals their vulnerability is cut off and nothing ever definitively points to them being extraterrestrial. In this theory they aren’t weak to water itself, but holy water which had been inadvertently blessed by the dad who used to be a priest (a bit of a stretch but if I remember right I think we see him mouthing a prayer at one point).
I don’t think that was the intent but if you rewatch the movie with this in mind it’s a pretty interesting way of explaining some inconsistencies in the film.
The other thing that bothered me about the climax of Signs is the fact that this creature that’s fast enough to scale buildings in a blink of an eye and strong enough to effortlessly hoist a child in one outstretched hand can so easily have the shit beat out of it by a regular-ass dude with a baseball bat taking a swing at it every 15 seconds while it just stands there taking it. Even before it got any water on it it was having its ass handed to it. It wasn’t even a fight.
I still think the early moment of the scene when you first see the creature reflected off the tv is really cool though, to me that’s where the movie peaked.
I recall that the movie attempts to fill this plot hole by saying that the aliens were leaving the planet but that the injured, sick, or otherwise weakened aliens were left behind. I think the one holding the boy in the final confrontation was perhaps the same one that lost a digit when the protagonist was using a knife to see it’s reflection through the door gap when it was locked in a pantry.
I also recall the man in the car who was leaving that home with the pantry saying “btw we locked one of those things in the pantry, I think something was wrong with it. k bye”
I don’t know how much of this I made up.
