The plan, which is not finalized, suggests children get fewer shots and shifts to a model telling parents to consult doctors to make their own vaccine choices.
The goal of course is a bunch of sick and dead kids. Because quacks make more money that way.
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Goddamn is this so fucking stupid.
We used to be something, I guess. But we have always been saddled with a lot of racist dumbfuck anti-intellectuals who are so very jealous of people who are educated and know things and the dumbfucks are the ones being catered to now.
Hopefully the Otters do a better job with the world.
Sucks for anyone in a racist southern state. We are having our rights taken away slowly every year by the GOP. Not enough Dems to counteract all the Gerrymandering to change the system…yet.
And by “defer to doctors,” they mean “let insurance companies penalize patients for following doctors’ recommendations.” Just wait, you’ll see.
And the poorest people will suffer disproportionately. This is truly horrible
“Let’s not recommended vaccines, leave it to the experts”, bro, the experts are the reason vaccines are recommended in the first place
This is like telling everyone to “do their own research”.
I’m just agog at how stupid this is, even for this administration. Which is saying a lot.
Also, I remember when lots of gaslighting cons and brainless so-called leftists and centrists were claiming others were overreacting at a complete idiot like Bobby Brainworm with no education or experience being given authority like this…RFK jr has exactly zero qualifications for this position.
I’d imagine what’s getting buried here is this is going to lead to a situation where the feds and some states stop paying for vaccines.
These people think in terms of profits over 2 year election cycles…they don’t give a flying fuck about long term public health.
Oh no, that’s the point! Cause now it’s an “elective” or “optional” something that’ll just get immediately declined by their donors…
And doctors will recommend vaccines.
Not necessarily.
And next they’ll go after doctors for doing so.
Edit/preface: If the down votes are because people think this position is antivax, they’ve got reading comprehension issues. This post is a warning of where US healthcare is, and where it is heading.
You have far too much faith in doctors, and more importantly the massive industry that is healthcare.
They will do what will deliver the most profit to the system.
Lemme tell you something…no mechanic ever made a great living just doing oil changes. They’d make a lot more money doing engine rebuilds.
So once the majority of the mechanic industrial complex is owned by a colluding group of conglomerates, they can all agree that oil changes aren’t recommended anymore. They’ll stop stocking as much oil and filters. They’ll tack on additional shop fees for disposal and materials. They’ll stop taking walk-ins. They’ll make it as hard as possible to get an oil change.
Meanwhile, there will be some car owners that would think about this for two seconds and ask “are you on fucking crack? Of course you need to change the damn oil”. But the mechanic will say some mumbo jumbo about synthetics and AI and most drivers will just believe it.
There will still be trustworthy independent mechanics, but not for very long. They’ll be spending all their time doing oil changes and not making nearly as much money as the conglomerates.
And then what’s the point in spending all that time, money, and effort getting ASE certified…to waste your time doing oil changes while those other mechanics sold their souls to live like kings?
I’ve been a lot more cynical of hospitals since realizing that my wife and I got “up-sold” to a cesarean child birth.
Lemme tell you something…no mechanic ever made a great living just doing oil changes. They’d make a lot more money doing engine rebuilds.
Mechanic here. I make FAR more money doing oil changes than engine rebuilds.
Edit: and not just because there are far more oil changes. I mean the time a vehicle is occupying a spot in the garage vs the overall profit, is far better for oil changes than engine rebuilds.
Ok, sure, fine, that’s probably factually inaccurate, idk I’m not a mechanic, I just play one on an occasional weekend.
But you follow the metaphor? You know that there will be a segment of drivers that would see through the lie and realize that they obviously should change their oil…but you also know that the vast majority of drivers would just agree because insert mechanic techo babble from corporate sales floor.
Like should I trust Volkswagen is truthfully handling emissions because they say so, or should I trust the scientific method which discovered and then confirmed the scandal?
Trust your damn doctor. It’s your fault otherwise.
I think you misunderstood my comment. It’s not that I don’t trust my doctor, it’s that I’m skeptical of profit-driven healthcare. Vaccines are oil changes; having your kid die of preventable disease are the engine rebuilds.
Trust and skepticism are not mutually exclusive, and people need to realize that.
I’d love to trust my doctor, and I feel like I can, because I live near a coastal city and most of our doctors actually follow the science. Smaller hospitals and private practice are generally alright but they are disappearing fast by these massive “healthcare systems”. And the doctors have to upsell or they get cut loose.
Meanwhile smaller hospitals and private practice is becoming increasingly difficult to administer. Look at the staff ratio at any private practice office. How many office staff to medical staff. That’s unsustainable.
Pharmacies are seeing the same fate. Look at how few independent pharmacies still exist. Pretty much everything else is CVS (and their pharmacy benefit management, Caremark…and given the state of both industries that whole arrangement should be broken up by antitrust laws).
And when there’s medication shortages, those independent pharmacies have the hardest time reliably obtaining product while CVS scoops up all of it.
So now good honest doctors and good honest pharmacists are just as hard to come by as a good honest mechanics. Given enough time and lack of regulation, they are bound to become about as common as good, honest cops.
Profit-driven healthcare will do what brings in the most money before killing you…and that means skipping preventative maintenance (oil changes and vaccines) and upsells (clear coat protection and elective c-sections).
We are put into a position where we have to put blind faith into a system that is openly corrupt. One where people feel a need to educate themselves, while also lacking any education.
My brother-in-law is a pharmacist for a major hospital network (and prior to that, a major retail chain). He’s riddled with stage 4 tumors all over his body. His oncologist gave him 90 days, two years ago.
He’s convinced the ivermectin and vitamins are what has been keeping him alive (and everyone on that whole limb of the family will gladly tell you all about it…fortunately he’s my wife’s step-sister’s husband, so not really “related”), and not the elaborate cutting-edge real treatments that have been pumped into his system. That’s “what’s killing him” (their words…)
Should I trust him for medical advice? He’s clearly long since drank the Koolaid and is a babbling idiot, but he’s a medical professional, and not even an outlier.
I work for doctors. They literally can’t upsell because insurance won’t pay.
Your doctor makes a bullet pointed list of diagnosed conditions called medical codes. A licensed medical coder (whose license is dependent on accuracy) reviews the doctors codes and edits the bill to only charge for conditions that are within the scope of the specialty and justified by the data collected in the visit notes.
The bill is then passed to the insurance company who has their own medical coders who review the work of the previous medical coder. If they believe the bill is inaccurate, it is reviewed by another doctor who works for the insurance company. If the bill is determined to still be inaccurate, the insurance company refuses to pay and kicks the bill back to the practice.
If many bills are determined to be inaccurate, the medical practice is audited to see if there has been a pattern of upcharging or inaccurate coding.
This is the point where a multi-million dollar lawsuit can start, and the practice finds themselves in court to have a judge determine if they should be paid for their work. If they lose those lawsuits, they lose coverage from the whole insurance company, and that is how a practice goes bankrupt.
Don’t get me wrong—for profit healthcare can lead to problems, but believe it or not, the system is designed to keep things above board and make sure that people are charged accurately.
The real issue is that each insurance company has contracts with each network of practices to pay them a designated percentage of the overall bill as a deal to keep them in network, so healthcare costs are extremely high because the practice will only get a percentage of the billed cost as pursuant to the individual agreement with that insurance provider. If you have to pay out of pocket because you went out of network, you are eating a huge cost while an in practice provider would be getting much less money after it was processed by your insurance company.
That’s why we need proper oversight and regulations. Is the threat of anything ever going to go away? No. I don’t blindly trust anyone, but we need to be able to know there is some reliability somewhere.
It’s not a matter of whether you believe in the science, but if you understand the science.
That’s exactly what I’m saying?
I’d trust the WHO before I’d trust the CDC (currently)…primarily because the WHO is aligned with the scientific consensus, while the CDC isn’t.
But now? If my doctor works for a medical conglomerate? And the CEO is saying to follow this CDC’s lead? That’s a significant hit for my doctor’s credibility. Now if my doctor’s recommendation is aligning with the CDC and not the WHO, which should I trust?
I know which one I would trust, but what about the typical patient?
Americans, how come you’ve allowed your country to get so stupid?
I think on Lemmy you’re pretty much only talking to the Americans who are more upset and frustrated than you are about it.
Criminally under-funding, and undermining the public schooling system for at least two decades (Bush Jr.), or longer if you consider Reagan’s ‘81 Omnibus as the start of the current downward spiral.
It’s not hard to figure out why Republicans are so anti-education; you have to be an idiot to think that their policies would be good for the working class.
40 something here - what if I told you it was always this stupid but shame kept it under lock and key?
Gen X here - regarding vaccines, I think the anti-vaccine thing was always there, but on the fringes. I think that in particular has progressively gotten stupider and more common as older generations have died off.
The younger generations have not seen the outcomes of many diseases…it was probably already headed for Peak Stupidity until the young and naive and generally clueless (despite the tech being there, most humans seem to refuse to employ the time-binding thing when it comes to knowledge and wisdom, and that’s even with a functioning public schooling system. The conservatives have been trying to destroy any semblance of such for decades) experienced those diseases for themselves or for their children or grandchildren.
And then Covid happened. And then whole new levels of idiocy were reached. And now donvict’s second term + RFK jr is out to kill even more Americans.
The goal, as was stated extremely clearly in Project 2025, is to kill off 200,000,000 Americans
Where do they say this?
I scrolled through all the policy headers in the Project 2025 Wikipedia article, and didn’t find anything like this. If anything, my impression from Project 2025 and aligned people is they want the “right kind of Americans” (conservative married Christian whites) to have many more children than they currently plan to.
What you might be remembering is the way Project 2025 and aligned people make references to Social Darwinism themes. One example article covering this: https://worldcrunch.com/in-the-news/rfk-jr-health-agenda-german-view/
“A very central concept of social Darwinism,” says Roelcke, “is that of contraselection.” This refers to the idea that social measures and medical care in a society override natural selection. And according to social Darwinists, this is a highly problematic behavior in modern societies because it leads to so-called degeneration.
“Social Darwinism,” says medical historian Roelcke, “is about taking away social support or access to medical care from the weak, that is, the sick or vulnerable, and leaving them to fend for themselves.” The fact that they then died earlier was not only of no concern to the Social Darwinists, but even desired.
Kennedy’s handling of the largest measles outbreak the U.S. has experienced in decades clearly shows echoes of social Darwinism. Namely, when he falsely claimed that no healthy children were dying from measles and that poor nutrition played a role in the deaths. RFK Jr. is saying between the lines that it’s not the healthy, the fit, and the strong who are dying, but only the weak.
Reduce the US population by almost 2/3rds?
Press X to Doubt.
It’s more accurate the way you put it, but yeah that’s their goal. They don’t care if they leave or die as long as its reduced
I don’t think they can achieve it. That is their stated goal.
I thought their main concern was raising birth rates, at least for white people.
Insurance might decide against paying for optional vaccines.
Insurance can look at long term statistics and say if you don’t get the vaccine, your premiums will double.
Yeah, I think the suggestion that insurance companies wouldn’t cover them is crazy. It will be significantly more expensive for them to cover widespread illness than vaccines. Everything is money to them. Shit, there could be incontrovertible proof vaccines cause autism, and insurance companies would say hey, it’s cheaper than measles, you must do it or we won’t cover you.
They will only cover them if it’s profitable, otherwise, they won’t if they’re not forced to
The big expenses from getting Hepatitis B happen a decade or more from when you get the infection. A different insurer picks up the tab if you decline to cover vaccination.
Nope… “preexisting condition… not covered”
This is a real shit show
That would mean they’re looking beyond the next quarter.
They always look beyond the next quarter. Thata kind of their whole thing actually, finding the leaks risky things to insure so they never have to pay out.
Defer to doctors… That’s where the GDMF recommendations came from before being politicized. Get the politics out of the CDC again and the problems of having recommendations come from doctors is resolved.
Next step will be to disqualify any doctor who recommends vaccinations from getting medicaid payments or some other disgusting inhumane act.
Sooner or later, they’ll ban vaccines. Then somehow blame the left when kids die
They’ll just praise nurgle for his blessings. For he gives true happiness and love to humanity.
Death cult gonna death cult.
Weird way to implement population control
The same right-wing nuts who think LGBTQ+ people are aiming for depopulation, are cheering for vaccines to go away
