Honestly these kinds of posts don’t bother me. I’m usually on here answering people’s tech questions or trying to provide useful resources to people. If they don’t see it because they have ml blanket blocked then that’s their loss.
Yeah, there are plenty people who ended up there early when they’re weren’t many other options. Or just didn’t know. Though it’s your loss as well. Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others. It definitely sucks.
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
I’m not sure fair or unbiased really have meaning as terms. I think its more that they seem strong handed and are alleged to have opinions based on propaganda rather than fact.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
To be clear, it’s the fact that they run what many on the outside perceive to be “the flagship” instance. Had they run an instance in the same manner, but with their admin profiles and identities disconnected from their dev accounts…we wouldn’t be here right now.
Then it would be easy to dismiss the Triad when advocating the Threadiverse to mainstream users as just “random instances that many others block”, just like hex and grad
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
Still ongoing, with reasoning supplied here:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
I had my unrelated reasons, as I’ve specified before, though trolling .ml for a lil while was a fun side effect I’ll admit
Is it “spam” for 99% of my posts and comments to be in my home instance, and for the overwhelming majority of my interactions be via comments instead of posts?
You don’t need a bot to search your own username, you do know that right? And you don’t need to be particularly egotistical to do it either, just halfway competent
Sure, but seeing posts like this encouraging discounting other people based on the instance they signed up on doesn’t make me want to switch instances so I can spend more time with them. Posts like these make it harder to care about what I’m missing tbh.
I mean, you can say that, but its not really their loss, because you’re asking them to accept a lot more than just you.
It’s a package deal, and that package deal includes a boatload of clueless tankies who will happily copypasta the most outlandish ideas from their troves of propaganda to explain why actually brutal dictatorships are model societies for the left to ascribe to.
When I say I don’t usually engage with these types of posts, it’s because I remember several others like it that I chose to ignore. Checking OPs history, it seems they posted every other one that I remember. I don’t count it as a loss at all if people like this make their own decision to block ml because I’d rather not see this kind of drama all the time. It doesn’t matter to me if they see it as a loss or a gain, I’m still gonna be here engaging with and helping people who need help in various communities. To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make, and I’d rather not worry about people who are going to behave like OP.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make
You specifically said
then that’s their loss.
though. Like they’re missing out.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice to people who don’t want to be inundated with a certain type of tankie as if their goals are to hurt people as opposed to not be annoyed by their feeds.
honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to ml users, but then in the same breathe, you are saying people should simply block ml if they have complaints.
It doesn’t seem consistent to me.
More than that, people can choose which instance they want to be on. You could switch to a different instance at any time, and many people have accounts on multiple instances.
With no public vote scores etc, all you lose is a post history that is spotty anyways due to how many posts get deleted on lemmy.
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice
Do you not see the post at the top of this thread??
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater
This is your assumption. All I’ve said here is that I don’t care, I’m only commenting because this is the 3rd shit stirring post made by this OP, and I consider it a loss to those who block ml, but not to me. I’ve glossed over multiple posts like this from OP in the past so I clearly do not care if people view ml like this, it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
I mean the first one said its not a loss generally, not specifically but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I don’t think this has the full context.
You can’t really conveniently sort tankie from non tankie.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
This is your assumption.
How is it an assumption at all? You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same.
All I’ve said here is that I don’t care
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused. The people you are seeing the memes of are the people you are engaging with. The others, they probably aren’t posting about this and simply have it toggled off.
Mightn’t this be a case of the loud ones being the people who are complaining vs the silent who simply have moved on?
Anyhow, I just think its impossible to ignore that certain servers obviously follow some cultural trends. Some are even enforced by said servers and its communities. Many really, when you think about it (Its kinda what rules do to some extent).
but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
I did not mean it differently than typed. I said “to me it’s not a loss” and I mean that. To me it’s not a loss, to them it is.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it’s immature. And at the same time I can not care if people choose to cut themselves off from ml.
You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same
No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely, because I don’t view being cut off from people who make those types of assumptions as a loss for me.
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I’m only repeating myself. I’m only commenting because this is the third shit stirring post by the same user, and I only chimed in to another ml user that I’m not bothered if people decide to block ml because it’s a win to me to avoid immature people and in my view a loss to others because I spend most of my time on lemmy giving tech support to others.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused
No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn’t resist engaging with me. I don’t see what’s confusing about this. I don’t think I’m missing anything by not being able to engage with this post. Yet it’s here, so I’m engaging with it. That doesn’t mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It’s kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.
Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not. Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.
Anyhow, I think I’ll go back to ignoring these types of posts. I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don’t think it’s at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.
And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it’s immature.
Sure, but I don’t really think you’ve outlined good reason for feeling so.
Are you dismissing the complaints about ml wholesale? If not, what of the fact that one cannot practically sift at such a fine grain level as looking at every single user?
No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely,
How does the former not inherently functionally include the latter?
Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I’m only repeating myself.
Is it possible that other people feel a legitimate sense of inconsistency in your comments, hence probing for more information? Or that people understand but disagree with some aspects of what you are saying?
No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn’t resist engaging with me.
I think you’ve very much so misinterpreted my comment here and have taken a hostile tone due to that. My comment is referring to you engaging with the poster of this content.
Your wording as if I would have any reason to need to resist engaging is an odd way to portray me as angry for having any questions about what seem to be an inconsistent set of opinions.
That doesn’t mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It’s kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.
The misunderstanding here, is that you said you aren’t missing anything by not being able to engage. This implies that you couldn’t or wouldn’t engage, but obviously your presence in this thread made that idea infeasible. That’s what my confusion was referring to.
It was (still is) unclear to me what you meant by that comment when you haven’t referred to any actual way that you’ve been impacted by this, so it appears you are complaining that you don’t care about a hypothetical thing that could but hasn’t happened seemingly for no reason at all.
Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not.
This is truly getting ridiculous. Outlandish comparison to bring into this.
Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.
I’ve never claimed the opposite, and indeed that wasn’t the point of that comment.
I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don’t think it’s at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.
Actually in this very last sentence I think its pretty clear there is some contradiction. You say its a net negative, and this implies it matters any amount at all, or I suppose you could also hold the opinion that you don’t care at all about the community but then why bother, and obviously just by way of using it you must to some degree.
It just feels like you are trying to say “I have no dog in this race” to shield your opinion, when you very clearly do, hence debating it and hence the jump to anger present in this comment.
Honestly these kinds of posts don’t bother me. I’m usually on here answering people’s tech questions or trying to provide useful resources to people. If they don’t see it because they have ml blanket blocked then that’s their loss.
Yeah, there are plenty people who ended up there early when they’re weren’t many other options. Or just didn’t know. Though it’s your loss as well. Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others. It definitely sucks.
one of the best parts about lemmy.ml is no cm000spam
What is this in reference to?
This:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
Seems pretty reasonable really.
That said, about this:
I’m not sure fair or unbiased really have meaning as terms. I think its more that they seem strong handed and are alleged to have opinions based on propaganda rather than fact.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
To be clear, it’s the fact that they run what many on the outside perceive to be “the flagship” instance. Had they run an instance in the same manner, but with their admin profiles and identities disconnected from their dev accounts…we wouldn’t be here right now.
Then it would be easy to dismiss the Triad when advocating the Threadiverse to mainstream users as just “random instances that many others block”, just like hex and grad
there’s a user (cm0002) who is so fervently anti-communist that they’ve spent years at this point having a vendetta with lemmy.ml/grad/hexbear.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
Nope, Anti authoritarian as per the Wikipedia definition for Tankie:
Still ongoing, with reasoning supplied here:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I had my unrelated reasons, as I’ve specified before, though trolling .ml for a lil while was a fun side effect I’ll admit
Wish we could get rid of the diva and cowbee spam here as well
Is it “spam” for 99% of my posts and comments to be in my home instance, and for the overwhelming majority of my interactions be via comments instead of posts?
Bro must either be an egomaniac that has a bot combing lemmy to find instances of his name being mentioned or terminally online.
I mean it’s probably the same reason I responded, I sort by new comments/chat
So terminally online
I actually spend a lot of time out in the world causing trouble, I just happen to prefer the old school forum behavior
You don’t need a bot to search your own username, you do know that right? And you don’t need to be particularly egotistical to do it either, just halfway competent
I search my name from time to time.
you could simply block me if you’re tired of my insights 😇
I’m not constantly spinning up new accounts like cm so it would probably be the last you see of me
No no. That would be a concession
Sure, but seeing posts like this encouraging discounting other people based on the instance they signed up on doesn’t make me want to switch instances so I can spend more time with them. Posts like these make it harder to care about what I’m missing tbh.
Name them please. Because as far as I know, its a few small ones with barely any traffic?
If we’re missing more animosity like this thread then we’re probably not missing much at all.
which instances?
I mean, you can say that, but its not really their loss, because you’re asking them to accept a lot more than just you.
It’s a package deal, and that package deal includes a boatload of clueless tankies who will happily copypasta the most outlandish ideas from their troves of propaganda to explain why actually brutal dictatorships are model societies for the left to ascribe to.
When I say I don’t usually engage with these types of posts, it’s because I remember several others like it that I chose to ignore. Checking OPs history, it seems they posted every other one that I remember. I don’t count it as a loss at all if people like this make their own decision to block ml because I’d rather not see this kind of drama all the time. It doesn’t matter to me if they see it as a loss or a gain, I’m still gonna be here engaging with and helping people who need help in various communities. To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make, and I’d rather not worry about people who are going to behave like OP.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
You specifically said
though. Like they’re missing out.
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice to people who don’t want to be inundated with a certain type of tankie as if their goals are to hurt people as opposed to not be annoyed by their feeds.
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to ml users, but then in the same breathe, you are saying people should simply block ml if they have complaints.
It doesn’t seem consistent to me.
More than that, people can choose which instance they want to be on. You could switch to a different instance at any time, and many people have accounts on multiple instances.
With no public vote scores etc, all you lose is a post history that is spotty anyways due to how many posts get deleted on lemmy.
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
Do you not see the post at the top of this thread??
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
This is your assumption. All I’ve said here is that I don’t care, I’m only commenting because this is the 3rd shit stirring post made by this OP, and I consider it a loss to those who block ml, but not to me. I’ve glossed over multiple posts like this from OP in the past so I clearly do not care if people view ml like this, it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
I mean the first one said its not a loss generally, not specifically but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
I don’t think this has the full context.
You can’t really conveniently sort tankie from non tankie.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
How is it an assumption at all? You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same.
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused. The people you are seeing the memes of are the people you are engaging with. The others, they probably aren’t posting about this and simply have it toggled off.
Mightn’t this be a case of the loud ones being the people who are complaining vs the silent who simply have moved on?
Anyhow, I just think its impossible to ignore that certain servers obviously follow some cultural trends. Some are even enforced by said servers and its communities. Many really, when you think about it (Its kinda what rules do to some extent).
I did not mean it differently than typed. I said “to me it’s not a loss” and I mean that. To me it’s not a loss, to them it is.
And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it’s immature. And at the same time I can not care if people choose to cut themselves off from ml.
No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely, because I don’t view being cut off from people who make those types of assumptions as a loss for me.
Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I’m only repeating myself. I’m only commenting because this is the third shit stirring post by the same user, and I only chimed in to another ml user that I’m not bothered if people decide to block ml because it’s a win to me to avoid immature people and in my view a loss to others because I spend most of my time on lemmy giving tech support to others.
No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn’t resist engaging with me. I don’t see what’s confusing about this. I don’t think I’m missing anything by not being able to engage with this post. Yet it’s here, so I’m engaging with it. That doesn’t mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It’s kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.
Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not. Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.
Anyhow, I think I’ll go back to ignoring these types of posts. I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don’t think it’s at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.
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Sure, but I don’t really think you’ve outlined good reason for feeling so.
Are you dismissing the complaints about ml wholesale? If not, what of the fact that one cannot practically sift at such a fine grain level as looking at every single user?
How does the former not inherently functionally include the latter?
Is it possible that other people feel a legitimate sense of inconsistency in your comments, hence probing for more information? Or that people understand but disagree with some aspects of what you are saying?
I think you’ve very much so misinterpreted my comment here and have taken a hostile tone due to that. My comment is referring to you engaging with the poster of this content.
Your wording as if I would have any reason to need to resist engaging is an odd way to portray me as angry for having any questions about what seem to be an inconsistent set of opinions.
The misunderstanding here, is that you said you aren’t missing anything by not being able to engage. This implies that you couldn’t or wouldn’t engage, but obviously your presence in this thread made that idea infeasible. That’s what my confusion was referring to.
It was (still is) unclear to me what you meant by that comment when you haven’t referred to any actual way that you’ve been impacted by this, so it appears you are complaining that you don’t care about a hypothetical thing that could but hasn’t happened seemingly for no reason at all.
This is truly getting ridiculous. Outlandish comparison to bring into this.
I’ve never claimed the opposite, and indeed that wasn’t the point of that comment.
Actually in this very last sentence I think its pretty clear there is some contradiction. You say its a net negative, and this implies it matters any amount at all, or I suppose you could also hold the opinion that you don’t care at all about the community but then why bother, and obviously just by way of using it you must to some degree.
It just feels like you are trying to say “I have no dog in this race” to shield your opinion, when you very clearly do, hence debating it and hence the jump to anger present in this comment.