I speak on behalf of all IT Support personnel everywhere when I say “fuck you”
Meanwhile my ThinkPad L440 will soon receive an upgrade to 16 GB of RAM. (I wonder if I can get a CPU upgrade to a Core i7)
For the price of 16GB?
More like for the price of 64GB.
For the price of 32GB, if you’re lucky. Hopefully it’s 8gb in a single stick so upgrading is cheaper, even if that means single channel ram speeds out of the box
What. My six year old cheapo Acer laptop that got my broke ass through college had 16gb ram. My raspberry pi has 8gb of ram.
Guys this is good news, maybe google and mozilla will figure it out and stop making their applications the biggest ram hogs in human history, taking more ram to render a few documents than it takes to render a AAA game. Or at least stop benchmarking a browser with 1 page open and saying look, 1 page only takes a gig of ram and most users, at least in our imagination, only have 1 page open.
Jk
Just go back to “native” apps and not all this web tech bloated crap.
This is the world in which we live. Firefox and google are the only folks who can fix it. Whether it’s killing tabs more aggressively or something else, they have the power in their hands. They just don’t want to (documented, in writing).
Oh the irony that I have 16 GB RAM on my old Lenovo
better start removing AI from Windows then… holy fucj my 16gb is barely holding up with windows11 that in forced to use on my work PC. slow as BALLS, it’s just raping the entire system performance constantly
I wonder what’s going to happen to the electron frontends if machines are bottlenecked by ram so bad. Wasn’t facebook just planning to switch whatsapp’s frontend to webview as well? And win11’s desktop is electron too. Everyone was acting like ram is unlimited.
Don’t worry, you’ll just need to subscribe to My Windows Copilot Cloud+ to get access to a virtual PC with plenty of RAM from anywhere! It’ll be powerful enough you’ll barely notice us logging all your actions and blocking anything we don’t like.
I have win11 on a work surface laptop pro with 16gb and I’m consistently at 15+GB used. This is corporate bloat. How do I know? I have a personal surface pro 6 with win11 and 16gb and it runs like a breeze.
Corporate bloat is such bullshit.
If there’s anything corporate IT is good at it’s bullshit and security theater. Can they stop corporate espionage? Of course not. Can they make it really annoying for employees to access data they need for their job: ✅. But at least they’re “compliant” with some rules that aren’t even particularly well-documented.
tbf a lot of that crap is mandated by insurance compliance requirements
Being fair isn’t in my quarterly OKRs
I… ok.
Am I an idiot, or… at least when it comes to system RAM…
Do you really need DDR5 RAM, instead of DDR4?
Like, say I have 32 GB or DDR4 vs 32GB of DDR5.
Beyond I guess crushing some benchmark software harder… what are the actual practical benefits of this?
For an average person?
What can I do with 32 gigs of DDR5 that I can’t do with 32 gigs of DDR4? Or 16? Or 24?
Typically the CPU and motherboard are both tied to a specific generation of RAM, which is keyed and traced differently on the motherboard for DDR 4 vs 5.
For example the current AMD socket AM5 requires DDR 5. You’d have to go back to AM4 Ryzen 5000 series for DDR 4 support.
I mean… I know that…
But my question still stands.
Ceteris paribus, keep as much else the same, same GPU, similar CPU by benchmark scores… swap the mobo and the sys ram…
What do you actually gain by going from DDR4 to DDR5, in total, end-state capabilities?
DDR5 is faster.
What kinda stuff actually needs that being faster, actually benefits from it?
It’s just the fact that, at some point, if you want a faster computer, you’re bound to have DDR5.
AMD 5000 is fast, but how does it compare to last gen? Is there a 5000 CPU that can get the same score as a high end 9000 CPU?
What if you have a homelab server to upgrade but find out you need more PCIe lanes?
Other than that, yeah, you don’t need DDR5, but DDR4 is slowly going out of production and is also rising in price… so you’re screwed either way.
Alright, alright, that just took two people explaining it for it to sink in for me.
Thanks, I got too hung up on the specifics and missed the bigger picture.
This is not limiting mid-range laptops. This is making more low-range laptops. Just because you’re making more lower tiered laptops doesn’t mean the midrange adjusts as mid-range is based on specs/performance. This is basic taxonomy.
The average laptop produced by these 2 manufacturers will see a decrease in specs.
Just give me DDR4 then.
Sorry. New processors only use ddr5. You’ll have to buy something used (or low end old-stock) if you want ddr4
I may limit myself buy one as well.
Why not just tell me to go fuck myself and skip the unsatisfying foreplay?
Large computing will exist solely in the cloud where you will pay a subscription for it. Can’t have these grubbing consumers buy anything we elites don’t get a monthly cut of.
I wish this was sarcasm.
I am honestly not sure if that’s a bad thing aside from the capitalism of it all. Almost all tasks normal people do could be done with a 10 year old computer running Linux.
I will find it hilarious if this RAM pricing issue causes people to move to Linux rather than have slow ass Windows 11.
I’m positive its a bad thing. It will mean the end of ownership. Our children will be born and their only worth with be as consumers for which they can crushed for any reason the owners see fit. Its slavery and feudalism nothing more nothing less.
and cant we just put fucking ddr4 or ddr3 on it? why does it got to be bleeding edge all the time?
Hah, guess they’re gonna have to run Linux. Windows 11 would choke on 8 GB RAM.
It’s the year of the Linux desktop!
lmaooooo
I agree, funny enough they require minimum 4 GB, but I had problems with it with 16 GB. 8 GB is nowhere near enough, especially if you use excel, teams, and that crap.
I have to use windows at work, have 32gb and regularly get browser tabs unloaded for low memory. I’m not running VMs or anything. Usually just Firefox, visual studio, and slack.
Personal computer is Linux with 16gb and that’s more than enough.
Same here. Modern 32 gb machine from work is a slog. 2 minutes from wake to actually working, can be 10 seconds just to use the start menu sometimes. Older thinkpad with 16gb and linux/cosmic desktop - wakes almost instantly and perfectly snappy for most things.
Most bloated apps like outlook and teams etc regularly use nearly a gig of ram each in my experience. Brutal.
