You do realise that ICE wasn’t all fascists from the get go, right? That they actually served a lawful purpose? Which is why financing them wasn’t a problem?
They weren’t created out of the blue. They’re the connection of two other federal agencies - naturalisation and customs service.
As you noticed, they were created at the time of Patriot Act, meaning they’ve been around for 25 years now. There weren’t any issues with them during Bush or Obama, were there? Or rather: there weren’t any more issues with them than there were with Border Patrol or ex-Customs Services, etc.
Basically, issues pop up whenever Trump’s in power. Because he has stupid policies. Like when Border Patrol was supposed to hire 60,000 agents within a couple of months to “strengthen border protection and stop smuggling from Mexico”. Lo and behold, they ended up hiring active cartel members and smuggling stats went through the roof. Which anybody with a semblance of a functioning brain expected to happen.
Now it’s the same exact situation - ICE received the order to kick out 1,000,000 “illegal immigrants” in 2025. For context on how ridiculous this number is: deportations increased steadily during Biden admin, reaching 72,000 in FY 2022 and 143,000 in FY 2023. FY 2024 saw the highest single-year total with 271,484 deportations.
And now Trump wanted 1 million. Which meant, just as before with Border Patrol, that they had to basically hire anyone who wasn’t running away from their recruiters fast enough. And exactly the same thing as before happened, only this time it’s US not Mexican criminals being hired. All the Proud Boys and what not.
The existence of the formation is fine, every country on the planet has an equivalent agency, it’s Trump’s policy that’s fucking everything up - as is tradition.
What lawful purpose? As I understand it they were an unnecessary creation by George Bush Jnr, but I’m open to being better advised.
In fact I recall discussion at the time about them being used to suppress the population in the future. Those discussing it were ridiculed, as were those who said the US would elect Trump.
They were the union of two previously existing agencies, immigration and naturalization services and the US customs service.
It may have been unnecessary, but it was part of a larger federal law enforcement and intelligence apparatus reorganization, and not a net new block of enforcement operations.
Excluding deporting people needlessly for racist bullshit reasons, they have other responsibilities regarding human trafficking, and certain classes of international crime.
“Being forced to vote for democrats is democracy!”
“There is no genocide in gaza!”
Good thing the republicans are so terrible, blue conservatives. How else would you look good?
I am very confused by your comment. Could you explain what you meant? Might be a language barrier?
Op: hurr durr both sides are bad. Democrats only look good because Republicans are terrible.
Standard ml bullshit designed to reduce participation
My impression of you…
“Hurr Durr the Democrats will save us take my money”
Meanwhile, on Earth, bOtH sIdEs finance ICE every year, and their budget has more than doubled since creation.
You do realise that ICE wasn’t all fascists from the get go, right? That they actually served a lawful purpose? Which is why financing them wasn’t a problem?
ICE has always been fascist, they were created by the Patriot Act, which is “lawful”, and also a perfect tool for fascism.
Their creation made what is happening now inevitable.
They weren’t created out of the blue. They’re the connection of two other federal agencies - naturalisation and customs service.
As you noticed, they were created at the time of Patriot Act, meaning they’ve been around for 25 years now. There weren’t any issues with them during Bush or Obama, were there? Or rather: there weren’t any more issues with them than there were with Border Patrol or ex-Customs Services, etc.
Basically, issues pop up whenever Trump’s in power. Because he has stupid policies. Like when Border Patrol was supposed to hire 60,000 agents within a couple of months to “strengthen border protection and stop smuggling from Mexico”. Lo and behold, they ended up hiring active cartel members and smuggling stats went through the roof. Which anybody with a semblance of a functioning brain expected to happen.
Now it’s the same exact situation - ICE received the order to kick out 1,000,000 “illegal immigrants” in 2025. For context on how ridiculous this number is: deportations increased steadily during Biden admin, reaching 72,000 in FY 2022 and 143,000 in FY 2023. FY 2024 saw the highest single-year total with 271,484 deportations.
And now Trump wanted 1 million. Which meant, just as before with Border Patrol, that they had to basically hire anyone who wasn’t running away from their recruiters fast enough. And exactly the same thing as before happened, only this time it’s US not Mexican criminals being hired. All the Proud Boys and what not.
The existence of the formation is fine, every country on the planet has an equivalent agency, it’s Trump’s policy that’s fucking everything up - as is tradition.
What lawful purpose? As I understand it they were an unnecessary creation by George Bush Jnr, but I’m open to being better advised.
In fact I recall discussion at the time about them being used to suppress the population in the future. Those discussing it were ridiculed, as were those who said the US would elect Trump.
They were the union of two previously existing agencies, immigration and naturalization services and the US customs service.
It may have been unnecessary, but it was part of a larger federal law enforcement and intelligence apparatus reorganization, and not a net new block of enforcement operations.
Excluding deporting people needlessly for racist bullshit reasons, they have other responsibilities regarding human trafficking, and certain classes of international crime.
So you didn’t vote then?