I’ve seen alot of calls for violence in America. Whether it be directed at the president or Federal officers, many people are advocating for an escalation in response to the current situation.
And believe me, I do understand. what I see happening in America is horrifying. But all I am imploring is to really think about what your asking for. Because you can’t put the genie in the bottle once you’ve left it out.
If you’re really gung-ho about it, go and ask a Veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan about it and see what they think. If anyone will know about it they will.
I am going to link a YouTube Playlist. Its the Associated Press Archives of the Bosnian-Serbian war. Because THAT is what will happen if wide scale violence breaks out. Except what will happen in America will be a hundred times worse.
The Bosnian war was pretty much broken up along ethnic lines. “Well it’s going to be Conservative VS. Liberal” you say. Except it won’t be. It will be anyone having a grudge against someone going after them.
ALOT of personal animosity will be taken out in the first few weeks I feel.
And I think the Seige of Sarajavo will be writ large in American cities across the country. Imagine having to dodge sniper fire on your way to get to your job at Wendy’s.
Because that’s the other thing no one is thinking about. You are still going to have to make a living while this is all going to be happening. And the cost of everything will skyrocket. Shipping will probably have to be escorted from place to place because people will be stealing or even blockading locations because they’re “damn dirty libs” or “Fascist Conservatives” Fresh produce will become a thing of the past.
Canada and Mexico will close their borders due to all the refugee’s trying to cross. so if you thinking of doing it, do it the moment everything pops off because otherwise you won’t get in.
Basically Civil war is going to the worst thing to happen in America in a long time. and the only good that comes out of it will be Americans will finally have first hand experience of real war torn violence. And maybe that will hopefully last for another two hundred years or so.
If America even survives the outcome that is.
Conservatives really do think that any limitation of freedom imposed to their political opponents only affects them. How cute!
Everybody know it not a game but st some point there is no othet options and fight oppresion
Nobody but the conservative crazy people here in the US is gung-ho about this.
I have, however, seen countless Europeans and non-Americans trying to incite us into widespread violence constantly. These are the people likening us to Nazi Germany, a country nearly 100 years in the past, and on the other side of the world.
Let me just say right now, emphatically, FUCK YOU if you’re trying to do this. You are worse than Trump and all the fascists here.
Violence may be needed in certain moments here… But it’s not the answer to everything going on. In fact, violence is what Trump wants in many of the individual situations he’s creating.
At least nazi germany didnt force people in a constant spiral of debt! In many aspects, america is worse
I think large peaceful demonstrations are needed. The people need to go on the streets in vast numbers and make their opposition to trump visible for everyone. Just in a peacefully but strong way, not possible to neglect.
Most of the voices calling for v10l3nt r3v01ut10n in the states are Russian bots or MAGA provocateurs.
One thing you saw in places like Syria and the Balkans was a lot of revenge murders and groups that were essentially gangs terrorizing and enslaving towns.
I remember reading how people in the old Yugoslavia talked about how people they’d lived next to for generations suddenly turned on them. The same in Rwanda where groups were slaughtered en masse. People were packed into churches and the buildings set on fire, etc.
We’re in a civil war right now. This is what it looks like.
But it can get a lot worse.
I’m not really expecting a “civil war” for the many reasons stated by others.
I’m more expecting total societal collapse combined with extremely violent capitalist repression - largely due to the ongoing destruction of the planet. Basically a continuation of what’s been happening for centuries.
… Americans don’t realize they’re already in a civil war? Bro a city is occupied. Secret police roam freely. Tens of thousands disappeared.
That isn’t a civil war. That is an autocracy. If the people across the state were coming in a militia to take over that would be a civil war.
Where do you think the ICE agents are drawn from, buddy? Downtown St. Paul? Pedantic.
That isn’t a civil war though. It isn’t “pedantic” you just don’t know the definition of a civil war.
They are moving 1500 soldiers to Minneapolis to quell the “violence” which is basically people marching with signs and blocking traffic.
Ice agents are threatening to murder people and telling them they should have learned to be meek so they don’t get murdered like Goode
There’s no armed fighting back, so it’s not a civil war it’s purging.
I’ve yet to see a major media outlet call it what it is.
It’s sheer cowardice at this point. The president himself has called it war.
Which city? I’ve been keeping an eye on her news and I still feel like I miss shit
Chicago. LA. Minneapolis. And more, but those are currently the most egregious.
I’ve called this out too, and somebody called my comment “gamerslop bullshit” just because I had one sentence that pointed out that real war isn’t like call of duty.
The person who commented that didn’t realize the irony that the “gamerslop bullshit” implicit in the warmongering/romanticization of violence is precisely what I was calling out.
People these days will accuse you of anything you criticize them for. Like, you pointed it out so clearly you’re the one doing it. It’s so illogical.
People in the US have been protected from the reality of war since the civil war in the 1860s. Even vets (a very small minority) of real wars get to come home at the end of it. The reality would be more like Vietnam or Syria were the war is your home and there is no escape. It is like the war against vaccines, people have forgotten the reality of life with those diseases and take the return of them very lightly.
Yeah, someone who’s witnessed the devastation of war might say “You don’t want that, you really don’t understand what you’re calling for” and someone who’s never seen combat outside of video games and movies would say something like “You might be a coward, but I’m not.”
Like, dude, until those first bullets fly over your head, you don’t know how you’re going to react. When you’re getting shelled, and explosions are happening so close the shock wave alone can give you a concussion, when fighter jets and bombers fly overhead and all you can do is wonder whether you’ll still be alive and intact five minutes from now, when communications and supply chains break down, food is scarce, clean water hard to come by, when the power grid goes down and you have to weather extreme temperatures in the summer and winter, when chaos reigns and you have to wonder every time you see a person whether they’re gonna try to kill you, when you have to ration supplies so you don’t run out, and have to avoid patrols of armored vehicles and evade detection 24/7 or risk getting bombed by drones, and when there’s no end in sight but the slog goes on and on and on, night and day, without relenting, and you have to wonder how much longer you’ll have to go on like this, how much longer you can go on like this, when every day when the sun rises you don’t know if you’ll be alive to see it set, and every night when the sun sets you don’t know if you’ll be alive to see it rise, if you’ve been through all that hell on earth and haven’t shit your pants, and still think it’s a worthwhile tradeoff to avoid having to vote for an imperfect candidate, then sure, maybe you have room to talk.
In real war, you can’t power down when you’re done playing. And if you have people you care about, then multiply hell by a thousand, because chances are you won’t be able to keep in contact and you’ll have to wonder every minute of every day whether they’re having it any better or worse than you are, while you’re utterly helpless to protect them because all you can do is fight to keep yourself alive another day.
Even worse would be the terror groups like in Syria and Vietnam where they come into a town after the enemy has left and slaughter anyone they think did or could collaborate. They would also take all the food they could leaving populations to starve.
And yet anarchists believe they hold the keys to a utopian future…
“Just read theory, you just don’t understand. Humans will take care of each other, just trust me.”
See also:
Syria, for roughly the last decade.
A real civil war wouldn’t last longer than three weeks here in the US. A small group of whacked-out people love the idea of it, but they certainly have not thought it through. It’s just a fun thought for them because they have never cracked open a history book and don’t have any real perspective regarding what war actually means.
This is the country that couldn’t go three weeks without a haircut or toilet paper in 2020. People would walk into their first empty grocery store, toting their big impressive AR-15 rifles, and then demand that the war be ended.
It’s not like the people are the ones starting it…
Forget civil war. Mass protests in the US would look like what is happening in Iran.
https://www.generalstrikeus.com/ forget initiating bloodshed, sign a strike card. In a world of paramilitary forces and drone capabilities, this is our true power.
Doubtful, the average American doesn’t have the cardio to walk that long. It would be a bunch of cars honking while the driver watches football on the phone and eats cheeseburgers.
Great post.
However, from a European perspective all this has been a long time coming, ignoring all warnings and with open arms (pun not intended).
So for the US I don’t see how it can be fixed without going through this.
I’m sorry.
As another European, I don’t think it’s as bad as it seems. I personally don’t think most republicans are fundamentally fascist, more so convinced that Trump is playing 5d chess.
If you where to ask most Republicans if they supported democracy, right of law and freedom for all, they would say that they support it.
However, due to the tribalism of current American politics and the cult of personality around Trump, they aren’t seeing how that is being infringed.
Trump is almost 80, and will die eventually. With him will his cult of personality die. Some hardliners will probably latch on to Trump Jr or Vance, but most republicans will probably quietly switch over to supporting some more moderate dumb fuck (think Mitt Romney).
Around 84% of Republicans approve of what is clearly kidnapping murder and open fascism as we are threatening half the world, planning on invading a NATO country, and stealing oil from Venezuela. Conservatives are absolutely our enemy.
It deosnt matter if trump dies, the Republican party has pretty mich made up their mind that there won’t be an election in the future.
They don’t care about public opinion anymore judging by everything they did in 2025 and all the rich oligarchs in america are either part of their club or are pressured to comply.
And with the epstine files pretty much out now the higher ranking Republicans are too scared to five up their power with the possibility of them getting prosecuted afterwards.
Even without Trump, the only way to get rid of the fascists will be to forcefully remove them which will end in a civil war.
Hard disagree. The Republican politicians are not leading the masses to dark places, the masses are pulling the politicians to greater extremes and the politicians are holding them back, because they have a greater understanding of the consequences than the average voter.
Ask the average Republican if undocumented I’m immigrants should all be deported, and they will tell you yes. That’s 14 million people, and the only way to accomplish it is to build up ICE to 5 times it’s current size, and do what they are doing in Minneapolis in every city in America. What they want requires fascism.
Ask them if abortion is murder and they will say yes. They don’t care about the women that are dying from pregnancy complications, the children that will be orphaned, the families that have been torn apart because the treatment for many conditions is abortion of the pregnancy and if it’s murder you can get treatment.
Ask them if environmental regulations are too stiff and should be rolled back so the economy can grow, and they will say yes, they don’t care about the ecosystems that will be lost forever, the diseases that people will suffer from pollution, or the rights of communities to avoid those harms.
What holds them back is that individuals don’t all want the same things, so the party pulls in different directions, because some people understand the disaterous implications of a specific policy, so they don’t support that particular cruelty, but they don’t question the wider ideology, and the basic ideology is a death cult.
What you get over time is generational frustration that the corrupt politicians refuse to do what is necessary and support for more and more extreme individuals in office. People that hatch plans like the federalist society, to corrupt the courts, and project 2025, to destroy the administrative state and consolidate power into the executive, and congresspeople who will support the descent into violent fascism, because that’s what is required to give the masses what they demand.
Democracy slows down the process, but the American voters will get the cruelty, suffering, and death they demand eventually.
Vance will be worse; in general the removal of Trump won’t make it better.
I dont have any words to add and hope you’re right.
None of us want to live in a war-torn state. That’s why I and most others voted for harm reduction. What we’re facing now is terrorism. The USAmerican people are being terrorized by federal forces.
People are not calling for violence for a economic policy we don’t like, which is what incited the Confederacy to begin the first USA Civil War. We’re dealing with federal forces who are hell-bent on terrorizing us. What politically-aware people have been calling for, for the better part of a year, is the next degree of harm reduction. Targeted political assassinations. Fighting ICE agents. Storming the capital, perhaps. With each month, this government gets more empowered and more violent.
Violence terrorizes people. We all know war is terrible. No one thinks the USA going through a Civil War will be exciting. People see violence and they want it to stop, and they see massive peaceful movements that have not worked, in the face of a government that shows no hesitation in threatening or attacking its people; and those people are desperate.
What is the alternative? We let federal agents keep shooting and abducting people until some magical aspect of Democracy manifests and pushes them out? How do we actually envision that happening? What do we do for the three years until our next presidential election? Every person who is killed, abducted, disappeared is a life permanently lost.
For those who talk about peaceful protests and voting the fascists out, how do you expect to win elections when your voters are being killed? It’s not just the ICE agents, either, though they certainly are violent. Consider: Layoffs, Homelessness, Imprisonment, Emigration, Suicide. The people here today are not going to be the same people here in three years.
The reality is, the people of the USA are under violent occupation. We are living the terrors of war. Violence does not require mutual-consent; and when only one side chooses to fight, you end with a massacre. That is what we have been living through – a slow-rolling massacre. No one knows what will stop this, but maybe, just maybe, ICE agents would think twice before going on deployment if half of the last three squads never made it home.
what the first Civil War was fought over Slaves. Literal human resources were right up their with land as far as property value and ability to continue to earn future value. Enshrining slaves as property forever is virtually the only difference in the confederate constitution.
Lincoln was the first presidential ticket with a northern pres and vp at a time when we deliberately had an equal number of southern and northern states and a bunch of territories to be brought into the union out west. Previously it was possible for a southern pres or vp to enforce this fake equality that couldn’t last because the pres could veto and the vp could vote to break a tie. Once you break that tie you can’t put it back you can now add more northern states without issue.
What were they worried about losing as they lost ground in the house and senate again? Their property and future earnings from that property. It’s popular to quote Lincoln saying he would free none or all of the slaves if he could save the union but that doesn’t tell you what the war was about. They went to war so they could keep their slaves and We went the war so we could keep the southern states instead of having an enemy on our doorstep.
While I generally agree with everything you’ve said…
This, what we have right now?
The early access alpha preview of what could potentially happen.
Try and imagine an actual artillery strike or JDAM strike on your neighborhood, or, all the water stops working safely due to either a treatment plant getting blown up or intentionally sabotaged and poisoned.
Health and sanitation just stop … being things that exist and work, and soon half the city has some new plague, more or less indefinitely.
Oh you live in an enemy city, its really cold this winter, really hot this summer?
Click, boom, fizzle, pop. No more power for ya’ll, have fun.
… it can get so, so much worse than what we are seeing right now.
This is all true, to which I ask, what is the alternative? I’m afraid that the future of the USA is one of two options: the authoritative oppression of fascism, or the chaotic hellscape of war. Both are intolerably violent. Fascism is targeted and ruthless; War is broad and destructive.
