Star Trek: Discovery S3E12 “There Is A Tide…”
I haven’t actually watched the new show or anything (no untagged spoilers in this thread, please), but this is the general vibe that I get from reading comments from people who have.
shiny shit
When she was curled up in the captains chair lookin cozy af i knew it was gonna be a good time.
I like it 🤷.
The characters are pretty likeable. There is some intentional silliness, and I’m totally OK with that.
Agreed. But it also has Holly Hunter as Barefoot Casual Spacemom.
So I’m probably going to watch it.
It’s been pretty enjoyable so far. Caleb, Jay-Den, Sam, and Genesis all have good chemistry as a main cast. Not every show needs to be TNG: Season 8. There’s some nits one could pick, but I’m looking forward to see where it goes once it’s out of character introduction and exposition mode.
My faves so far are the photonics (Sam and the Doctor) and Number One (half jem-hadar/half klingon). I don’t understand the hate. They even brought back the old Klingon design!
I just don’t trust the new owners of paramount.
I don’t watch star trek anymore. Havent watched SNW, haven’t watched this either, and won’t ever.
I hope one day I can go back and watch TNG or DS9 again without feeling the cringe from ST Picard.
I watched 5 episodes of STD and dumped it, it was awful CGI slop. I regretfully watched the nu trek movies and they’re literally much worse remakes of earlier star Trek movies.
Then came ST: Picard, which has managed to ruin even TNG for me for a long, long time. I knew it would be terrible but everyone and their mother was repeating the aggressive marketing campaign that it would be absolutely awesome and ooooohhh god it was bad. They fucking ruined Q… That pissed me off.
Want to watch the true successor to star trek, in heart and mind? Wat h the Orville. Seasons 1 &2 are awesome, 3 kinda went into the same shit direction like star trek with longer episodes, weaker stories and much, MUCH more CGI to make up for it and hope we wouldn’t notice. Season 3 is still not AS bad as nu trek, but it’s close. 1&2, though, best trek since DS9, they even have their TBOBW moment!
I don’t like that the premise is the same as micheal from discover.
Gets in trouble. Gets a chance at proving themselves after solving a problem that no one else could.
They really should have come up with something else.
But it’s fine.
I was kind of getting a “Harry Potter but scifi” vibe from the second episode.
Shenanigans followed by magic fix (slime). And the little magic holograms that pop up conveniently.
Oh and student teacher rivalry.
Yeah definitely a Hogwarts vibe. Or The magicians. But scifi.
I thought in the first episode the acting was a little rough but hey, watch the first season of tng, it’s rough too.
I’m still open to seeing more.
I’m not one of those trekies who hate anything that isn’t tos or TNG.
I like all of it except enterprise. And that’s mostly cause I really don’t like the captain. And I don’t know why but I don’t. And I can’t get over it.
I even mostly liked Picard. Especially the 1st season. Kinda downhill after that.
There’s plenty to critique in every series. Plenty of inconsistencies.
But I still enjoy the world building and stories.
The last episode of SNW left a bitter taste. not the writing or the cast - the scenes background of either generated images or something shot without even looking at a script - ‘mooks lingering around’ probably. there was no synergy at all between plot and whatever was behind them.
i was expecting to rewatch the entire season after that; now it soured me for new star trek.
Yeah but so was VOY. It got there .
I’m not giving NuTrek any more chances. They already tried with 5 series and 1 movie. It’s never going to “get there”.
You say that in the presence of Lower Decks?? you peasant
I don’t like Lower Decks one bit. Cheap low brow humour and it still gets plenty wrong about Star Trek, just for the sake of a gag or the creation of drama.
The closest we got to something aligning properly with Star Trek is Prodigy, of all things.
I’ll agree to disagree, but surprised as I thought strange new worlds was pretty consistent with a traditional Star Trek…
Nah. S1 of snw was pretty tight. Then they started just being fucking idiots with it and it’s lost more and more wheels. The last season was garbage.
You only watched season 1 of LD didn’t you?
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I will admit Lower Deck is always a bit crass and that element never goes away, but the characters develop really well and it’s impressive how attached they get you to them in a total runtime shorter than TNG season 1, and the show gets surprisingly emotionally sincere as it goes on.
And I’d say seasons 3, 4, and maybe 5 have what I’d call legitimate contenders for some of the franchise’s best episodes. Honestly, if it’s really hard for you to watch season 2, just skip to Wej Duj and watch from there.
But honestly, if you can’t get past the crasser elements, I get that.
I think people who like Disco will like Starfleet Academy.
The premier had some neat parts, but I think the structure, pacing and writing of the show have moved away from something I easily recognize as Star Trek and at the end, I was left more confused than interested in more.
It took me far longer than I want to admit to understand you meant Discovery, and weren’t making a snarky comparison between those that like this show and those that enjoy Disco music.
I hated disco, academy is surprisingly ok so far.
Thx for sharing, I was considering never watching because I can barely watch discovery, and right now I am not subscribed to Paramount.
I guess I’ll try a trailer or something torrented.
Yeah, I think I’ll skip it tbh. Discovery was a chore to watch.
I liked disco for the most part but so far the only parts of Academy I liked were Giamatti’s villan and the return of the Doctor.
The rest was just sort of a resounding ‘meh’; the plot didn’t hold me, the space-high-school melodrama between the cadets was boring and at times cringeworthy, and the big action sequence left me with more questions than answers.
I kind of disliked Giamatti’s character, honestly; just a bargain bin Harry Mudd.
Otherwised enjoyed it.
Paul Giamatti seemed to be in a different show than the rest of the cast. It was like Giamatti was playing a cartoon Joker. It really clanged with me, his jokes and humor didn’t work at all and I hope we don’t see him again.
I think part of it too is 32nd century Trek has already done a lot of sociopathic, who’s-gonna-stop-me, “because I’m evil”-type villains, and we need someone a little more gray, or at least psychologically compelling; as seen with Gul Dukat and Kai Winn, you can still pull off interesting but pure evil characters.
How big of a truck of money did they back up to his door for this?
Needs more body positive female characters and badasses with a heart of gold.
They released the first episode on YouTube and no one watched it, the comment section is hilarious and spot on. Paramount but a red shirt on and killed Star Trek, it’s dead Jim.
Interesting. Could you expand on why you feel that body positivity, specifically female body positivity, is bad? I’d like to test a theory.
I gave NuTrek all the chances in the world. But I gave up on it when SNW had a holodeck episode and a bog standard one at that. I’m done.
SNW had a holodeck episode
Ahhh FFS. That sort of crap is too why I stopped watching star trek, completely. Star Trek used to be made by people who loved the show, now it’s a cash cow being milked to death and they hope with adding know actors and loads of CGI that we won’t notice. Hell, when the producers said they don’t really care much about Star Trek, that should have set off some alarm bells but nope, all good.
I watched 5 episodes of STD and dumped it, it was awful CGI slop. I regretfully watched the nu trek movies and they’re literally much worse remakes of earlier star Trek movies.
Then came ST: Picard, which has managed to ruin even TNG for me for a long, long time. I knew it would be terrible but everyone and their mother was repeating the aggressive marketing campaign that it would be absolutely awesome and ooooohhh god it was bad. They fucking ruined Q… That pissed me off.
Want to watch the true successor to star trek, in heart and mind? Wat h the Orville. Seasons 1 &2 are awesome, 3 kinda went into the same shit direction like star trek with longer episodes, weaker stories and much, MUCH more CGI to make up for it and hope we wouldn’t notice. Season 3 is still not AS bad as nu trek, but it’s close. 1&2, though, best trek since DS9, they even have their TBOBW moment!
I’m sorry you fell off the series. Everyone’s got their own tastes. Ironically enough Strange New World’s holodeck episode was a huge love letter and homage to classic Star Trek.
My biggest complaint is all of the stairs. Why are there so many stairs?
Why does a starship look like a casino in Reno?
Why does the Enterprise D bridge look like the interior of a 1990s car stretched out?
And being a former Vegas resident, DS9 accurately pictures being in one of the more run-down Vegas casinos.
Also, honestly, I think modern campus architecture has embraced this “casino look” you describe, weirdly enough.
Does seem rather ableist.
As someone who has attended a few colleges and universities- there are stairs flipping everywhere. Even outside.
Like they couldn’t level the campus grounds , no ? Stairs.Stairs into buildings. Stairs inside the buildings. Stairs in the parking garages. Stairs outside on the grounds by any buildings.
Stairs stairs and more stairs.
I swear it was intended to wear out the students to keep them from having too much energy on their hands. Or maybe intended to keep students in shape. Idk.
I can only assume the show creators visited universities (especially older campuses) and tried to be authentic.
I went to a uni that used to be a gd WWII munitions factory and there weren’t that many stairs
Uh…maybe it’s because tens of thousands of students have to move between classes?
They also have elevators
And ubiquitous site to site transporting
But maybe they’re magic sci-fi stairs…
Like, not just an escalator, but a levitation ramp or some such? Could be fun.
It would use fields or something to do different things for different people; an escalator for some, a wheelchair life for others, normal stairs for those who choose, but for Miles O’Brien’s transporter clone stuck in the 32nd century, it sets the gravity to 10x and forces him to crawl with all his might to the stairs’ control panel. This happens once a week.
I’ve been holding out hope that during his tenure at the Academy (into the 25th century), that he’d made headmaster and get trapped/forced into a golum or photonic body. The suffering possibilities are endless.
His consciousness is uploaded after death into a torture simulation by a curious computer with emerging sentience for several hundred years a la I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream; when the computer finally learns its lesson and builds a new body for O’Brien’s backup consciousness, he just gets right back to work, centuries of technological progress be darned.
The series practically writes itself.
It’s because how dare they risk that good boy to cordry rocks and the other dangers of space?
It’s a high school drama in a Starfleet academy. It barely counts as SciFi and every scene is melodrama. There are two star Trek princesses and a street rat main male character whose an idiot but somehow also a genius and of course, extremely hot, and is immediately in a love triangle with princesses. Every position of authority at the academy is held by a woman and the head of the academy spends part every scene showing you how cool and non-conventional she is by being completely unprofessional. This show is a startrek soap opera.
Every position of authority at the academy is held by a woman
Ew! Star Trek gots GIRLS in it? Gross!!
There are even gaaaaays!!! Oh noes!!!
Hey, remember when Star Trek used to be mixed?
The protagonist is a dude…
The Next Generation’s cast was less mixed than Starfleet Academy’s. You just didn’t notice because it was weighted more towards man than women.
It’s simply notable that it was a choice by the writers to do so and is very rare if never before seen in any military or naval organization.
No, you were listing things you didn’t like about the show. Stand by it.
Anyway, you’re wrong. The EMH is in a position of authority at the academy, and Admiral Vance is in a position of authority over the academy. There’s also a man in charge of the war college. So what’s supposed to be unprecedented here? Just women existing in a military?
I also don’t like it, but wouldn’t bring it up if it made sense. The war college isn’t the focus of the show, I’m sure male characters are in positions of authority elsewhere in the federation, those also are not in the show. Admiral Vance is the exception, yes, but not running the academy, just there to smile at the captain’s quirky behavior.
Admiral Vance is the exception, yes, but not running the academy, just there to smile at the captain’s quirky behavior.
What if I were to tell you that Ake is just there to dole out tough love to Caleb? He’s the show’s protagonist. Others may have their arcs, but they’ll ultimately bend around his story.
But Vance is the one who gave Aka the job, and ran the negotiations in the second episode. He’s had a more prominent and varied role than any of the women under Ake’s command so far. And you’re still ignoring the EMH, Ake’s CMO and our heavily advertised legacy character. You’re not being very honest in your arguments so far.
And you’re saying it doesn’t make sense for a woman to be in charge of something? Even if there’s a prominently featured man both above and below her in the chain of command? And men at the same relative level in other divisions? Do you just not accept Star Trek’s premise of an egalitarian future? I’m not seeing how my initial characterization of you was wrong.
The doctor is a character joke and Vance is the exception that proves the rule. Current Star Trek is not an egalitarian future, it’s a philosophical mess. I’m saying it’s doesn’t take sense to over represent women in leadership of a naval academy.
They aren’t over-represented, you’re gerrymandering - purposefully drawing lines so that women fall inside your tally, and men don’t. If we simply do an objective headcount of the recurring Starfleet officers in the show so far, I get 4 women and 3 men. As even a count as you can get without cutting someone in two, or adding a redundant character.
And The Doctor is a goddamn treasure.
Thank you, totally agree.
The school drama between the cadet-guys was so forced and the officers acted irresponsible, sometimes even incompetent.
It also felt more like a mix of Hogwarts in space and Xavier’s school for gifted youngsters.
Why can’t they start their training on earth instead of flying through open space with a minimal crew and lots of kids without any qualification and without any permission on the ship?
SAM is the photonic version of season 1 Disco Tilly.
Lura Thok (number one) reminded me of Lt. Commander Bortus from Orville.This thread is convincing me to give it a try. I can’t stand any show whose entire plot revolves around “adults are idiots and do stupid illogical unrealistic shit but the kids are smart and insightful and smarter than everyone.”
“Series of Unfortunate Events” is obviously that to the point it is really satire, and thar’s cool enough. But then you’ve got Harry Potter. Holy shit it hurts. Wednesday was the same thing and turned me off in the second season. Don’t even bring up Stranger Things. I give that one kinda a pass because it was meant to recapture the 80s nostalgia of things like The Goonies, which, to its credit at least didn’t rely on incompetent adults to advance every story line.
This one got away from me…
The future is run by pudgy lesbians, we could all see that coming.
It barely counts as SciFi and every scene is melodrama. There are two star Trek princesses and a street rat main male character whose an idiot but somehow also a genius and of course, extremely hot
Could describe the first season of DS9 honestly.
and a street rat main male character whose an idiot but somehow also a genius and of course, extremely hot
Rom does have a way with the ladies… and Moogie.
Hard disagree.
First season of DS9 was incredibly rough, but it got better.
Nothing NuTrek has come out with proves this will get better.
What? Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks are fantastic. I honestly cannot even guess what you could have to complain about.
Well, I could guess, but I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.Strange New Worlds? You mean lame love triangles? Character assassinations? Outright plagerism?
Lower Decks? As in I have to lower my brain capacity to appreciate its humour? Literally “memberberries, the animated series”?
