Side question: Why do people buy baguettes? Do they make sandwiches with them? How do you even make a sandwich from them? How are you meant to beat a baguette???

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    US , EU and FR variants.

    Side question: Why do people buy baguettes? Do they make sandwiches with them?

    Sometimes, sometimes just eat with butter. They make good toasts too.

    How do you even make a sandwich from them?

    Just cut it open and put the ham and cheese inside it, not much to it really. Either cut the slice in half if I’m feeling poor or fold it in two if I’m feeling rich.

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    Baguettes are delicious, use a knife if you want to do a sandwich, what’s the difficulty?

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    ELI5: dough can take any shape you give it.

    You can load the dough into a metallic shape and close it with a lid, and you’ll get picture 1.

    Or you can make a ball out of it and leave it be on a flat surface, and it will naturally expand to look like picture 2.

    Side question: narrow shape makes baguette have a more crispy texture, which many people like. It’s also usually produced using a special kind of sourdough, which makes it have unique and rich taste. People eat it as is (just biting it from one end to another) or make small open sandwiches by cutting it in slices and putting all sorts of toppings on top of them.

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      I saw someone just cut it down the middle and make a long skinny sandwich with one. I didn’t even know that was legal.

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        Lol, yes, it can be done, but it needs to be packed or cut from one side only, otherwise it will likely fall apart.

        (Also it’s an ungodly abomination and there are certainly better options to do this with)

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      Why would you want to bake in a container vs a flat surface? Why are some types of bread one shape, and others another? Is it just tradition, or is there some practical aspect?

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        Baking in a rectangular shape allows you to make a space efficient bread that you can easily stack and transport. Also, it is very predictable, can fit neatly into your toaster, and can be cut in triangles.

        Making bread on a flat surface allows you to minimize costs of entry (not only don’t you need the forms which are relatively cheap, you can go with simpler/cheaper ovens), and this kind of bread has a more pronounced crust, which many people like.

        Also, rectangular bread is harder to leaven for a long period of time as it comes with numerous technological complications down the production line. This affects the aroma composition, making rectangular bread less attractive for those who want the traditional “bread” taste.

        Baguette, as I already mentioned, has a unique crust and crumb texture defined by the shape and baking conditions. Many people like it that way.

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        The containers can increase your breads toaster compatibility :D

        But overall I guess it’s a bit like pasta: different use cases (sandwich, sides for salad or soup, as a stand alone dish / food), regions with different resources for flour, fluids, spices, … and also different kinds of utilities (metal pans weren’t easily available everywhere, all the time and they take up space) and so on.

        And all these things influence how the bread tastes, looks and feels. So variety in process (container vs surface, loafs vs flat breads, handcrafted vs automatically processed, …) leads to different results with different characteristics.

        E.g. I love Apulian bread. It’s a loaf with a slightly darker crust, but lighter and soft on the inside. The crust gives it a slightly bitter taste, that makes it a bit rustic (the only thing better is a freaky baked sourdough loaf).
        It’s perfect for sandwiches IMHO but for french toast it’s a pain in the ass. I use pan baked toast (different density, crust and form) instead and again: perfect bread for this dish.

        And then just imagine eating a Döner from half a loaf of grey bread, or toast, … blasphemy!

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    The rectangular loaf became popular due to packing efficiency. You can fit more of them in less space.

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    Because the dough was a different shape before baking.

    You can beat a baguette with a golf club, a truncheon, or even another baguette.

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    In Brazil we have a small baguette called “French bread”! It’s very convenient and absolutely everywhere. And it tastes good, white bread in comparison tastes like nothing and has a shitty texture

    A pile of small baguettes

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      I believe those are called Petit Pain. And strongly agree, much better than standard white bread by a mile.

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        At first I was impressed it exists if France, but it’s kinda obvious. Now I’ve learnt that, for 20 years of my life, I believed a bullshit story about how hundreds of years ago people in Brazil couldn’t make baguette so they sold “French Bread”

        Btw, cute name for a pastry

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          So here in the UK they sell these fresh in Lidl: a cheap supermarket but it has an amazing bakery where they make these and other items.

          I often go to Lidl at lunchtime to buy two of these and something simple to fill them with into sandwiches, usually cheese and ham, (insert bland UK food joke here).

          My question for you, in the spirit of international culinary collaboration, what Brazilian fillings would you stuff one of these with to make a great sandwich?

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            We put cheese, ham, salami, mortadella and other stuff. However just mortadella on bread is really famous, because it’s quite cheap and a very famous TV show called Chaves had the main character loving it.

            Recently I’ve started trying to make more meal-like sandwiches, like chicken, tomato and lettuce (really tasty) or egg, cheese and peperoni (all heated up together) and it’s considerably better

            Also, you’re talked about petit pain, do you know they have that name in France or they are sold with that name in the UK?

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              Those all sound delicious, I’ll have to give them a try 😋

              Yeah I do and they are sold under that name here in the UK because English will just adopt words from other language or slang terms if they’re used enough. Also in English words for farm animals are Germanic in origin and words for the meat of those same animals are Norman (northern France) in origin because after the Norman Conquest in 1066, the nobility were all Norman French and were the ones to refer to cuts of meat whereas the peasantry didn’t eat the meat of the farm animals.

  • AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)@lemmy.ca
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    The sandwich bread is mass produced, baked in racks of loaf pans, designed to give very consistent and convenient slices for making sandwiches.

    The second pic is the way many people prefer to bake a more rustic loaf. The dough is just placed on a flat sheet, so there’s much more crust, and it can just rise however it does. It’s less convenient for sandwiches.

    No baguettes aren’t used for sandwiches, they’re used to serve bread with the meal. If you’re eating dinner, you don’t really want a slice of sandwich bread, you want something more convenient to hold in your hand, dip in you pasta sauce, or whatever. Plus it has a higher ratio of crust to insides, which can be nice.

    Edit: I replied to someone who corrected me, but apparently baguettes are very much used for sandwiches, I’ve just never seen it. Apparently I’m an ignorant American.

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    Well, there’s a number of reasons for the shape of the various bread types. The dough type - from the kind of flour used, through the resting time, fermentation time, raising agent (let it be any of a variety of yeast products, wild yeast aka sourdough starter, baking powder or baking soda, there’s tons of options), how hydrated it is, and so on. The oven type and baking approach. The purpose of the bread.

    Your first picture is of a standard toast or sandwich bread. It’s supposed to be a fairly loose, soft bread with a soft crust and an engineered shape for easier baking - with conduction baking on all sides except the top (here conduction baking refers to the fact the sides and bottom of the bread is held in place by a heated metal tray, transferring heat directly without letting air or steam escape, resulting in the soft crust). A more industrial yeast type is used (usually dry or instant yeast), which result in relatively small gas bubbles, giving it a dense but fluffy interior. The flour is usually a light wheat flour, and both resting and fermentation times are low - that’s why it’s a more industrial bread, you mix the ingredients, let the mixture sit for 30-60 minutes then bake it, easily automated.

    The second picture is of a sourdough loaf. This usually uses wholemeal wheat flour, often mixed with rye or other grains for better texture, and is a fairly tedious bread to make with multiple stretch and fold sequences and long resting periods, allowing lots of gluten to form, which means every stretch and fold sequence doesn’t mix the dough but rather layers and shapes it. The yeast comes from a sourdough starter, and is allowed to ferment longer, which is why you get an intense flavour. It bakes quick in a Dutch oven first covered then uncovered, allowing it to fluff up but then shape a hard crust. You get much larger bubbles and an internal structure of long strands of gluten forming swirls and such.

    Then the baguette, it uses a different approach to sourdough but with a similar effect. Unlike sandwich bread, the dough for baguettes - as well as what I’d call “European medium bread” (medium here meaning the hardness and bakedness of the crust) - a crispy crust that isn’t as well baked as a sourdough, but also isn’t soft, with a well developed gluten structure, using more predictable yeasts (again usually instant quick yeast or dry yeast, or in some areas, live yeast cubes). Mind you the baguette you’re showing is more of a hypermarket style baguette that is intentionally baked to a lesser darkness, and traditional baguettes are more on the golden brown part of the scale.

    Overall, the kind of flour determines the flavour, but also the raising and resting times. Some flours (especially wholemeal or grain mix flours) need more time as the more complex proteins and sugars take more time to be broken down by the yeast thus they rise slower. Hydration determines how tough the dough is to shape (e.g. pasta is only hydrated by the eggs, making it a hard, dense dough, pizza needs to be flexible so it’s high hydration, and it gets extra raise in the oven as the water quickly evaporates). Yeast determines the flavour, the raising time, and in the final product, the texture and airiness. The baking method can fuck a lot with the texture. A regular convection oven can dry the crust out making it tough and thick, forming quickly and stopping the bread from rising, but adding some ice in a pan at the bottom can generate enough steam to let the bread rise properly by delaying the crust hardening. Same idea for sourdough using a Dutch oven, you create a high moisture environment, a steam box, to keep the crust soft while the bread rises, then remove it at the end so the crust can cripsen and brown. The sandwich bread is medium hydration thus it keeps the sides moist while they bake, giving it that brown but soft crust. If you were to plop the same dough just into the oven, without the baking shape, due to there being little to no gluten development, it would just fall apart and harden into the world’s shittiest giant cookie.

    But also you can bake bread in a Dutch oven over an open fire, giving a more rustic style bread with thick, chewy, but also cripsy crust. Toss the same dough with lower hydration into a circle and onto an upside down pan in the same fire and you got some awesome flatbread with a nice center air pocket you can open up and stuff with meat.

    Then, you can decide to just fuck it and add as much high fructose corn syrup as possible without fucking up the bread, and you get American style bread.

    • Allero@lemmy.today
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      Beautiful answer!

      A small point from someone working alongside bread industry - small bubbles in toast/sandwich bread are not due to the type of yeast used, but due to intentionally low time for second stage mixing and, as you mentioned, low time for resting and leavening. You can absolutely create huge bubbles using the very same yeast, though, if that’s your goal.

      • fonix232@fedia.io
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        I’m not even a bread bro, I just happen to have ADHD and got a few hyperfocus sessions into sourdough 😭

        • StinkyFingerItchyBum@lemmy.ca
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          Uh,Sir?

          ADHD and got a few hyperfocus sessions into sourdough

          Is the nearly the verbatim senior qualification for certification from the charter. Section 2-14, p.12.

          Your certificate, membership card and lapel pin should be in the mail, but we haven’t fully caught-up from the Pandemic breadocalypse.

          Either way, welcome your High Breadbroness.

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    One’s cooked in a pan, the other not.

    You can use baguettes in multiple ways like other breads, imagination is the limit.

    -Cut it on the bias (at an angle), toast and use to dip in soup or mop up sauce. I do this with onion soup to top it, buttered and sprinkled with a good melting cheese, place on top of soup in bowl and broil in oven until melted and browning.

    -Slice in half long ways, butter with a good garlic butter recipe, bake in oven until browned serve with spaghetti.

    -Once it’s old, stale and hard, cube it up (can do it fresh too) use as croutons for salads or grind it up for bread crumbs to cook with.

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    One word: Bánh mì

    Regarding your main question: you don’t fit a square in a round hole.