You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.
This is wrong take. You need to get the idiots that didint vote against him to vote. The ppl that thinks dems are lesser evil and third party is worthless. The 20 mil that voted for biden in 2020 but wouldnt for harris in 2024.
Lord knows I tried but these ppl rather wait for the progressive messiah than vote for anything less.
You need an argument more compelling than “he fucks children”. Good luck.
Cute. You think they are going to hold midterms.
People do understand what the midterms are, right?
…Right?
Neither Trump nor Vance are up for election in 2026. But quite a few of their GOP cronies are, in the house and senate. All of the house is up for election and roughly one third of the senate. This will most likely be our last chance to oust at least some of Trump’s enablers in congress.
I would also add that the presidents party almost always loses votes in the midterms. This is particularly true for republicans since 2016 because a lot of trump’s supporters only care about him and won’t bother to fill out a ballot without him on it.
I’ll sniff this copium until the midterms
Sorry to remind you that Republicans historically do better in the midterms because more of their voters show up regardless. That’s one of the things the racist old fucks love to do with their copious amount of free time. Watch Fox News and head on down to the voting booths.
For many, it’s likely the only thing they have to look forward to now that many of their families have abandoned them over this shit.
they also have gerrymandering benefiting them, plus thier districts dont face anymore form of voter suppression at all.
Historically, yes. But that general idea has really been flipped over the last decade. 2018 midterm flipped the house D. 2022 gave Republicans control of the house, but not nearly as badly as expected and even gave an extra D seat in the Senate. There have been countless special elections (same idea, usually even harder than a midterm for Democrats) where they pulled through, giving Georgia and even (briefly) Alabama Democratic senators.
That’s not what you should be trying to do.
if you can convince democrats to vote, they will win because there are more of them.
Convince them to stay home because the election is a foregone conclusion
You don’t. They’re beyond help.
So, I’ll argue with people on Nextdoor about things like ICE and trans issues when they come up. Over the last few weeks I’ve been talking directly with a woman from there, after a discussion about ICE. She identifies as conservative/libertarian, but to be fair she also voted for the incumbent Democrat in our congressional district so there legitimately was some wiggle room there, not just a MAGA claiming to be moderate.
Over the long course of our conversation, she seems to see the anti-Trump point of view a lot better and even changed her mind a little bit on some topics. I also accidentally triggered what I can best describe as an introspective crisis when I explained that I’m not entirely comfortable considering her a friend when she turns a blind eye to the harm Trump is causing others, including the diverse group of friends I have (it was a more detailed, gentle explanation but that was the gist of it)
Since this is ongoing and I’ve been kind of surprised at how it’s gone, here’s what I think has worked well…
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Keep things friendly. I know that’s hard to do, but if you come on too strong and angry, you’ll just drive people away from you and firmer in their position
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Stay on-topic to the things that matter most. Things like people being sent to CECOT without so much as a trial (disregarding multiple amendments in the bill of rights)
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Stay factual. Be prepared to back up with sources, and offer to ahead of time. Be absolutely sure that everything you say is bulletproofly true. Avoid getting alarmist.
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Pace yourself. I’d go hours just thinking about what was said and how best to respond. We agreed this was best so we didn’t get distracted from our lives too much
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Listen. I can’t think of anything where I’ve really changed my mind, but it does give a way to frame your concerns (“I hear what you’re saying about the influx of migrants. I’m not sure what the data shows there, but if you let the government bypass protocol they’re basically incentivized to let the mess get so big they can take away rights and that doesn’t sit well with me” or “I get that you want people to go through the legal process, but ICE is picking up people in court on their way to their check-ins. They’re TRYING to keep things legal and are getting punished for it”). Sometimes I’ve circled back to things said earlier to make a connection (don’t like CECOT happening? This is the kind of thing that got us there)
This is really helpful and well-explained!
Are you saying deplatforming doesn’t work & open discourse matters? Someone’s got to break it to the purists here.
Both. Any time radicals get their own safe space, they use it to create an echo chamber. You need open dialogue and town square areas on the internet that have a good mix of people and quality, politically impartial moderation.
politically impartial moderation.
Unfortunately nonexistent on this community. (3×🔗)
I only said it is necessary - not whether it was present.
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You can’t.
by having a meaningfull alternative
They’re not going to vote for an alternative unless they’re convinced Trump is bad for them.
I have to wonder how many quiet trump voters there are and why they voted the way they did. Trump got 49.8% of the pop vote but it does not seem like 49.8% of Americans are MAGA flag-wavers. The die-hards are zealots, so basically unreachable. But there have to have been a large number who really thought of the Trump/Harris vote as selecting ‘the lesser of two evils.’ If there had been a real alternative, not even a particular affirmative position but some kind of ‘none of the above, find new candidates’ option, I have to wonder what the results could have looked like.
Maybe a third party, perhaps?
The Democrats need to be real and nominate people who Republicans might actually consider.
This sort of nonsense is why we have Democrats in Congress right now suggesting increasing the ICE budget.
What we need to radical American populism. Freedom liberty and justice for all. A candidate who stands against the wealthy class in favor of the 99%
That’s a the ideal candidate you want winning but whose going to finance that platform? I can’t see that winning the next election against the weslth and influence of the 1%. And since the US is locked into a 2 party system, you only get 1 chance to beat the Republicans, so the Democrats need to be realistic and represent all voters of today, not the idealised future.
Quick. Find a pedophile.
A gun.
You can’t. So spend your time doing more worthwhile things like landing the undecided vote.
I think the undecided might be dumber than the Trump supporters at this point.
They’re a close 2nd.
Yes, the only thing worse than not being sure if you want to vote for the fascist is being sure you want to vote for the fascist.
Agreed
The husband of a friend of mine voted Trump both times. He’s recently joined the protests. But he will still vote R.
Another friend votes Trump “because the family has always voted R.” And she’s a frigging STEM professor.
Sooooo… you somehow need better Republicans.
Tell them elections are cancelled
I’m not sure it’s worth putting a ton of energy into trying to convince Trump voters. Many of them only come to their senses once they are personally affected by his policies.
There needs to be focus on turning out the majority of Americans who dislike Trump. That has to be done with exciting candidates who focus on our systemic problems and actually want to change things. There’s no amount of window dressing and virtue signaling you can hang on corporatists to make people enthusiastic. They must want to vote for the candidate, not just find them more tolerable.
As Mamdami showed, all you need is to give people something to vote for rather than someone to vote against.
Unfortunately with the Republicans passing the SAVE act right before the mid terms, lots of trans folk and women will find out at the ballots they cannot vote because their name doesn’t match their birth certificate so a lot of anti trump population might not get to vote!
That’s fucked up.
