The time to do that was when we had control of the House, Senate, and a Dem.in the oval…
Unfortunately the prior DNC shoved Biden down our throats and he refused to set the precedent of holding a past president accountable for anything, including trying to overthrow the US government when trump lost 2020…
Biden’s non-handling of that (and lots of other shit) depressed Dem turnout and allowed trump to win and get the House and Senate.
The American public fell for neoliberalism, so now we have to wait.
It fucking sucks, but if you don’t try to understand why we’re at the point we are today, we’ll never fix anything.
I totally get wanting to skip steps till “shit is now fixed” but if you want to get there asap, start paying attention so we can start making better choices.
You can scream for republican majority House and Senate to impeach and convict trump for decades, it’s just not going to accomplish anything. If you want to make a difference, start telling people about how the DNC did a 180 from neoliberalism and we’ll actually get a fair primary again.
At this moment the most helpful you can be at getting trump out of power is hyping up the reality of today’s DNC, and Martins decade long track record of running fair primaries.
We are in a seeming minority even on lemmy here in realizing these neoliberals are doomed to fail
We are not…
Even the DNC pivoted away from neoliberalism a year ago, which is honestly one of the biggest political changes any of us will see in our lifetimes, even with trump running around being trump right now.
Everyone realizes neoliberalism failed.
What the majority don’t realize, is that we’re all on the same page about it now. Because billionaires want people pissed off at the actual DNC now that they don’t control it. So people never hear the good shit in the media.
Your definition of neoliberal must be different from mine, and your focus. The establishment has to go, they are controlled opposition, whose reason for being is preventing popular reform, in a country that chooses leaders based on popular elections.
You say the country realizes it, but they don’t, quite the opposite, the same people are in charge, currently passing the buck blaming everyone else for their loss, waiting to nominate a highborne aristocratic newsom to run as not the other guy for the status quo.
Now many of those defending the establishment are influence accounts, even on lemmy, the right wing amongst them, they manipulate us into candidates that they can win obviously. But a great many are real, it fools a lot of real people. Vote totals on mentions here on lemmy favor the establishment is doing the best they can and it’s everyone else’s fault side.
“The establishment” no longer controls the party, they only hold onto the minority leadership positions because those were voted on weeks before DNC chair. They were lame ducks this entire session, but because Martin is already making it rain (at literally unprecedented levels) on state parties, “the establishment” can’t threaten to cut off funding if reps don’t vote for their picks in leadership.
Like, do you understand that?
Because it really seems like you don’t.
The people trying to manipulate potential Dem voters on behalf of the oligarchs are the ones trying to convince people to tune out of Dem primaries. If a neoliberal wins their tune will switch, if not they’ll push third party so they can retake the DNC by showing a progressive can’t win.
Like, I’m honestly trying to explain this but it truly sounds like you’ve already fallen for their propaganda…
Is that why they nominated kamala, anointed, with 4 plus months and she didn’t get a single challenge? You can make (factually incorrect as I’ve seen,) semantic arguments about the definition of establishment and neoliberal, but the fact of the matter is, the party pushes for candidates that no one likes, that aren’t trying to do anything popular.
Why Biden and Hillary were such hits? I’m sure you consider Biden a great success too. You truly are helping the republicans pretending these democrats are acceptable. It’s also pathetic as they have nothing but contempt for you.
Denying the democratic party nominated kamala, brilliant take. Arguing the semantics of nominated, establishment, neoliberal, and true to American form, of they.
It’s sad you are probably a real person and fervently think you are smarter than everyone telling us we need popular opposition. Still believing those ivy league suits that have brought us three failed presidential candidates in a row, surely you will consider Biden a great success that goes without saying.
Unlike the democratic establishment, I have enough respect for you to tell you the truth. Turns out that respect was misplaced, but no one can say I didn’t try. Enjoy.
These democrats can’t win, that’s the point. Even if they were fit for the moment, they clearly aren’t. They aren’t popular, aren’t trying to be popular. They run as status quo, empty platitudes, offering not being the other guy, that’s it. Oh maybe throw some crumbs to the deserving fucked, but never addressing the causes of people getting fucked.
It’s not hard to understand, it’s amazing how some suits on tv have you guys in thrall even now. Those ivy league experts tell you they are the safe choice, and you still believe them, with all due respect it’s a baaaaaa’d take.
If they win, they do nothing with it as we saw in 2021, and hand it back. Things kept going to shit under their watch too, nothing got better overall. The last time they offered popular reform was 2008, and that weak candidate that failed to deliver only did that by trouncing the establishment that tried to force Hillary to offer nothing. But he made a deal to help hand it to hillary the next time, total failure as a president but that’s another story. He offered popular reform, so he could win, that’s the point.
How bout DOJ investigates trump over his overwhelming evidence of pedophile rapist tendencies.
The time to do that was when we had control of the House, Senate, and a Dem.in the oval…
Unfortunately the prior DNC shoved Biden down our throats and he refused to set the precedent of holding a past president accountable for anything, including trying to overthrow the US government when trump lost 2020…
Biden’s non-handling of that (and lots of other shit) depressed Dem turnout and allowed trump to win and get the House and Senate.
The American public fell for neoliberalism, so now we have to wait.
It fucking sucks, but if you don’t try to understand why we’re at the point we are today, we’ll never fix anything.
I totally get wanting to skip steps till “shit is now fixed” but if you want to get there asap, start paying attention so we can start making better choices.
You can scream for republican majority House and Senate to impeach and convict trump for decades, it’s just not going to accomplish anything. If you want to make a difference, start telling people about how the DNC did a 180 from neoliberalism and we’ll actually get a fair primary again.
At this moment the most helpful you can be at getting trump out of power is hyping up the reality of today’s DNC, and Martins decade long track record of running fair primaries.
We are in a seeming minority even on lemmy here in realizing these neoliberals are doomed to fail.
They are convinced the problem is people trying to replace them with popular reformers. I get so much shit saying the same thing.
We are not…
Even the DNC pivoted away from neoliberalism a year ago, which is honestly one of the biggest political changes any of us will see in our lifetimes, even with trump running around being trump right now.
Everyone realizes neoliberalism failed.
What the majority don’t realize, is that we’re all on the same page about it now. Because billionaires want people pissed off at the actual DNC now that they don’t control it. So people never hear the good shit in the media.
in what universe?
Your definition of neoliberal must be different from mine, and your focus. The establishment has to go, they are controlled opposition, whose reason for being is preventing popular reform, in a country that chooses leaders based on popular elections.
You say the country realizes it, but they don’t, quite the opposite, the same people are in charge, currently passing the buck blaming everyone else for their loss, waiting to nominate a highborne aristocratic newsom to run as not the other guy for the status quo.
Now many of those defending the establishment are influence accounts, even on lemmy, the right wing amongst them, they manipulate us into candidates that they can win obviously. But a great many are real, it fools a lot of real people. Vote totals on mentions here on lemmy favor the establishment is doing the best they can and it’s everyone else’s fault side.
“The establishment” no longer controls the party, they only hold onto the minority leadership positions because those were voted on weeks before DNC chair. They were lame ducks this entire session, but because Martin is already making it rain (at literally unprecedented levels) on state parties, “the establishment” can’t threaten to cut off funding if reps don’t vote for their picks in leadership.
Like, do you understand that?
Because it really seems like you don’t.
The people trying to manipulate potential Dem voters on behalf of the oligarchs are the ones trying to convince people to tune out of Dem primaries. If a neoliberal wins their tune will switch, if not they’ll push third party so they can retake the DNC by showing a progressive can’t win.
Like, I’m honestly trying to explain this but it truly sounds like you’ve already fallen for their propaganda…
Is that why they nominated kamala, anointed, with 4 plus months and she didn’t get a single challenge? You can make (factually incorrect as I’ve seen,) semantic arguments about the definition of establishment and neoliberal, but the fact of the matter is, the party pushes for candidates that no one likes, that aren’t trying to do anything popular.
Why Biden and Hillary were such hits? I’m sure you consider Biden a great success too. You truly are helping the republicans pretending these democrats are acceptable. It’s also pathetic as they have nothing but contempt for you.
Who is “they”?
The DNC chair the voting members of the DNC tossed to the curb for that shit?
What does their failings months before Martin took over have to do with Martin?
None of what you’re saying makes logical sense man…
This is literally what I’m talking about, how am I supposed to believe you don’t understand the linear concept of time?
Denying the democratic party nominated kamala, brilliant take. Arguing the semantics of nominated, establishment, neoliberal, and true to American form, of they.
It’s sad you are probably a real person and fervently think you are smarter than everyone telling us we need popular opposition. Still believing those ivy league suits that have brought us three failed presidential candidates in a row, surely you will consider Biden a great success that goes without saying.
Unlike the democratic establishment, I have enough respect for you to tell you the truth. Turns out that respect was misplaced, but no one can say I didn’t try. Enjoy.
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Win primaries, sure. But the Republicans are the first and main problem.
These democrats can’t win, that’s the point. Even if they were fit for the moment, they clearly aren’t. They aren’t popular, aren’t trying to be popular. They run as status quo, empty platitudes, offering not being the other guy, that’s it. Oh maybe throw some crumbs to the deserving fucked, but never addressing the causes of people getting fucked.
It’s not hard to understand, it’s amazing how some suits on tv have you guys in thrall even now. Those ivy league experts tell you they are the safe choice, and you still believe them, with all due respect it’s a baaaaaa’d take.
If they win, they do nothing with it as we saw in 2021, and hand it back. Things kept going to shit under their watch too, nothing got better overall. The last time they offered popular reform was 2008, and that weak candidate that failed to deliver only did that by trouncing the establishment that tried to force Hillary to offer nothing. But he made a deal to help hand it to hillary the next time, total failure as a president but that’s another story. He offered popular reform, so he could win, that’s the point.